Originally posted by desert_450r@May 25 2004, 09:50 AM
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Dude, then hurry up and by the HRC cam...that way just about everyone you race thats not stock will beat the sh!t out of you.....its that simple...go HRC, be out classed..period.........and this has nothing to do with GM ....heck you should have compared it to a Honda car.....American cars even lie about thier horsepower ratings...they rate horsepower at a peak, while the Japenese market rates horsepower at an average.....thats why a 100 horsepower Honda Civic will walk all over a 250 horsepower GM.....think about that for a while.
I can only speak for GM vehicles and I have seen over a hundred on the dyno and have had seven of them since 1997 ... They do not lie about HP numbers and wherever you get the notion that Jap cars rate sae net as an average and american cars rate their's as peak is unequivically wrong ... Don't know where you got that from and I will not argue tit for tat with you ...
I have a sore spot for sparks not allowing specs not that you picked a cam that I didn't ... I won't stoop to say that I'll put a HRC cam on a dyno next to the sparks cam either ... And I won't say that maybe the placebo effect is in place with all the sparks cam havers ... Come on, you say the cam will wax an HRC cam when we're talking a horse or 2 under the curve to 6,000 where the HRC cam if set-up right will peak 1 HP higher? ... I don't believe that a drop-in cam has that kind of advantage not in the least ... And you say word of mouth and you beat HRC bikes ... Fine, did those HRC bikes have the same mods as yours? ... You are presenting an argument based on limited datea and heresay lude ? ... Call CHM and ask them for a dyno sheet with their full pipe and a properly installed HRC kit ... They'll tell you that their pipe and an HRC kit made great power ... It is the same +/- what sparks has said their pipe and cam does so what gives there? ... I never said it wasn't a good cam, I said I picked HRC over Sparks for my own reasons ... Now seems to me you have taken my opinion and choice as personal as I hear words like "that way just about everyone you race thats not stock will beat the sh!t out of you....." and "its that simple...go HRC, be out classed..period" ...
And the fact that civics are beating GM vehicles that are rated at 250 HP are due to HP to WT ratio not because of how they rate HP ... Take any GM V6 car and any jap compact and calculate HP/WT ratio ... It will prove me right ... Besides the 250 HP GM cars you talk about are totally different animals than the GM V6 based cars so that's not a fair comparison ... Why not compare apples to apples like oh, a 1996 Supra Twin Turbo against a 1996 LT4 or 1997 LS1 C5 corvette ? ... Same manual tranny ... I got my dough on the C5 friend ... By a loooong shot ... That's arguable Toyota's best performance car of the 90's and 00's against GM's best ... Hell I beat Supras with my 1996 Z28 LT1 that dynoed 280 RWHP ... And I did it weekly ... Now F*rd exaggerates net numbers I will agree, but not GM and jap cars don't rate on an average ... I'll fill your fax machine with dyno runs from stock jap compacts til the cows come home ...
lude, I recommended you as a moderator on this board but I might just have to recant my words 'cuz I did nothing to you to deserve that post ... At least joel can keep his composure ... Thanks joe ...
lude, I think you're a good guy who is knowledgeable... But I will not argue generality and I will not argue quads with you because yes, you outclass me ... I stated only my opinions of sparks not giving specs and that's it end of story ... Sorry I rubbed you but hey, that's how I feel ...
But if you want to start a thread in the lounge about imports vs. GM cars, I will take the challenge oh boy would that be fun

... And there you will feel what it's like to be "outclassed" as I feel in this thread and on most of this forum ...
Good day
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all I can say is you have alot to learn, as do I.........and good day to you also.....no hard feelings, and Im sorry.
Anyway we are hear to talk about atv's not cars...I got out of that scene a couple of years ago, it seems you did to.....lets just have fun with this bad arse 450r.....

....just for you info, I am right about Honda rating horsepower at a average.....I know more about Honda's then I do anything in the world......I know nothing about GM's other then my own personal experinces...thats why I will never every buy one again.....or ford or anything american...its not just GM. I think they would be good cars if us Americans werent so freakin lazy.....And I hope you can at least agree with me that us Americans are the laziest people that exist...
Sorry again...someone pissed me off this morning at work and I guess i took it out on your post....for that I apoligize....
Something you need to think about...You are going about things all wrong. You are looking at this stuff like its a perfect world...in a perfect world all these numbers would be accurate...this car has more horsepower, so its faster. Im sorry thats not the way things work. Its not a perfect world...and alot of times those numbers dont mean anything...just becasue a "item" has better numbers does not always mean it will be better then an "item" with numbers that dont look as good....stock for stock my 4 cylinder Honda Prelude is about the same speed as a stock Mustang GT. and a little faster then a Z28.....but my Prelude weighs the same 3100 pounds, and only has 200 horsepower....Gee according to the numbers that cant be right.....by the way my Prelude is far from stock, I have a Jackson Racing supercharger and some other things done....and you have to have a GM that you cant drive on the street to beat it....and mines a daily driver.....Try not to look at this stuff like its perfect....those numbers dont mean Shiznit.