[meanrhino]

All I am hearing is that out of the box the yfz is faster its faster get that


well after first hand experiance i must say the yfz is a damn find machine in my openion it is better suspended and faster that the trx



Now the trx has a small advantage in discplacement

however it must be held back in some major areas because the two crf and yzf bikes in stock form are close as far as power

so is it just a pipe and a cam away from being equal to a piped and cammed yfz or is there more

what is all holing this bike back compared to the yfz

apparently they were letting the lawers do more engine design than the engine designers as honda

what was detuned from the crf to the trx thanx

 

[RedRider]

They both are good quads. I have beat yfz with my 450 and they have beat me. I think most of it is the rider. You can have a lot of fun on either one, so who cares? Reminds me of the difference between Ford and Chevrolet. The people who cares ....................., no I won't go there.

 

[killerquad]

The R will never be as QUICK as the YFZ.... the YFZ with the YZ timing will smoke anything off the line..... my buddy has a FST470 YFZ with YZ timing and that thing will SCREAM........

The R will have more torque which is more usable in the low end of things and is easier to use..... the TRX has a longer stroke and a smaller bore than the CRF ... Helps Torque..... and the YFZ is De-Stroked all together..(fast revs and big top end HP)

The quads in my opinion are almost identical..... That 470 i said ealier was about the same power as my LRD piped R.... IMO..... the stock YFZ is faster off the bottom till i hit 2nd and 3rd and then my power will take it..... the YFZ is a 2 stroke 4 stroke...... and the R is pure 4 stroke with the exception of a light flywheel which takes away from its low end grunt.....

The lawyers wherent designing this engine it is just that Yamaha put out an AWESOME machine to compete with honda...... the one thing honda might be able to do is to build a Twin Cam with a diff. flow design on the head..... then it might be one hell of an engine..........

MY 0.02

 

[TRX450rlude]

Originally posted by meanrhino@May 4 2004, 03:56 PM
All I am hearing is that out of the box the yfz is faster its faster get that


well after first hand experiance i must say the yfz is a damn find machine in my openion it is better suspended and faster that the trx



Now the trx has a small advantage in discplacement

however it must be held back in some major areas because the two crf and yzf bikes in stock form are close as far as power

so is it just a pipe and a cam away from being equal to a piped and cammed yfz or is there more

what is all holing this bike back compared to the yfz

apparently they were letting the lawers do more engine design than the engine designers as honda

what was detuned from the crf to the trx thanx

I have beat several yfz...in the sand....my 700 kfx was beating some of them with my 9 year old son on it....they could come back on top, but way after 300 ft...there was one YFZ out there with some 80 pound kid on it that was beating anything that pulled up next to him...I couldnt believe it...I dont know what his dad did to that thing but he was there rooting his son on...I seen a couple of decked out banshees running alcohal get their buts wooped.....I was like DANG

...so if you do some work...that YFZ can be a killer.

 

[fast]

has anyone put crf timing in their trx
also the yfz will come off the line harder because it's got a 39mm FCR carb.

 

[joe1l]

Compression!!! the yfz has more of it in stock form, change the your piston on a TRX to a 12-1, and you will see a bit of a difference.

 

[1fast450r]

The 450r is faster on top end by about 4 or 5 mhp, yuo cant go wrong with either one, one of my buddies has a modified yfz and he said when his was stock my r was faster but his will flat out scream now.... but i would never own anything accept a honda, i bleed red lol...

 

[blake450r]

iam with you 1fast450r

 

[Rico450R]

OK guys, you were making me worry that I shouldn't have ordered the hotcam!! I just talk to my mechanic at the Honda shop and he just told me that the hotcam just came and he said it's set up to take all the stock parts off the TRX cam. So, that means the compression release will work with the hotcam. My bike is being put together today. :lol:

Yippee!!!!

 

[Rico450R]

I just read about moving your compression up by Joe1. Some good advise, make sure the piston you put is a three ring piston!! Otherwise you will be re-ringing your TRX more than you want to!!!!! The stock TRX came with a three ring piston for reliablility & warranty reasons. So, if you don't want to [email protected]#$ with it,

put a three ring piston in.

 

[kazpr]

Rico let us know how that cam does PLEASE

 

[Rico450R]

I will let you know as soon as I ride that beast.

 

[killerquad]

i wonder if any YAMI guys have ever said anything GOOD about the R like we just did.......... this is the most Props giving Post i have ever seen..........

But hey they are both GREAT quads and you cant and wont go wrong with either of them...........

The CRF timing ................ Im not sure if it has the same effect as the YZ timing with the YFZ but ... IDK.....

 

[Rico450R]

That's because us loyal Honda owners are not narrow minded like some of the Yama people I have talked to. The YFZ is a bad bike and I would have bought it if I like Yama, but I don't! I like Honda(since I was young), but I still can say the YFZ is a bad bike and anyone that would ask me about the YFZ, I told them they can't go wrong. Honda Forever!!!!!!!

 

[meanrhino]

i may have just been pushed into buying a yama lol sorry guys red has always been choice but i like that yfz now be 4 i go and watch the yammi board for a while what do i need to watch out for on the yammi any repetative problems


?? thanx

 

[TRX450rlude]

Originally posted by meanrhino@May 5 2004, 02:18 PM
i may have just been pushed into buying a yama lol sorry guys red has always been  choice but i like that yfz now be 4 i go and watch the yammi board for a while what do i need to watch out for on the yammi any repetative problems


?? thanx

have you ever planted your butt on one of those.....all I can say is they can keep it, simply for the ergonomics.....I sat on one at the dealer and my hands while on the hand grips, where right where my knees where....its like your sitting with you hands on your knees, and when you turn the wheels the handle bars would hit my knees.....other then that, its one potent package....I was camped next to a guy at little sahara with a YFZ, and he said the same thing...I told him thats the only thing I didnt like about it, and he replied with "yes, me two, my knees hit the handlebars"...his exact words....so go sit on one before you say...this is the one....you may like the way it sits....but you have to be really short...Im 6'1" 190 pounds and its like sitting on a Blaster.......but a very fast one....HAHA...I think I have my brother talked into trading his Z400 for a YFZ....then I will get some real seat time on one.....later.

 

[meanrhino]

Thanx for the reply but im not that retarded i have ridden them and yes i like the ergo's on the trx better i will prolly end up with the trx i just dont like spending my money on somthing that everyone says is not the best i want the best and i am here to try and make an EDUCATED decsision ''sorry cant spell'' on what the best is for me


FMX thats what it will be used for so i may go with the 450r just because racing is not my main goal although that may come into play too

i am not really worried about huge power more like huge suspension and comfortable in the air good looking and even better handling

again thanx for the info and replies

 

[TRX450rlude]

well I think we are all behind you no matter what you get....as long as your riding a quad....You cant loose with the TRX or the YFZ....they are both the shiznitt....later.

 

[joe1l]

i just dont like spending my money on somthing that everyone says is not the best[/b]

Just remember the TRX250R, no one had anything good to say about it when it came out. Then time tooks its toll and the people learned that even though the 250R in stock for was a good machine, its real potential came with the aftermarket companies. The same will happen with the 450R, in stock form its a great quad....but once the aftermarket mods come out, the quad will be nothing short of awesome. The YFZ has that same potential too, but right now the Yami owners all think that YFZ is the best thing since sliced bread

and it should have an advantage, afterall it came out 6 months prior than the TRX. I have talked to quite a few people who have traded their yfz's in for the TRX......its not like they are downgrading or something, its because they know they like TRX better and they'll take a loss selling their YFZ just to be on a the TRX!! Me I like both bikes, but I chose the TRX for the comfort...hands down the ergos on the TRX favor a taller rider, and I'm 5'11 200lbs...so sitting on a 2 by 4 for a seat , having my knees in my chest, is not an option for me. Don't compare stock for stock either, unless you never plan on adding a mod, because that is just silly

!!! Now as far the mags go.......well just look at the back cover of almost every ATV mag out there right now....your'e going to see a Yami YFZ on that add!!! Money Talks...and who ever is willing to pay more will sometimes get the better publicity, Honda on the other hand know's they have a solid product and if they wanted to they could cover the mags with 2 ads for ever 1 Yami add....but they don't have to!

I'm sure some YFZ owner will read this and tell you that I'm biased because I own 2 honda's. Well I owned to Yami's too (Banshee and Warrior) and I really don't have too many complaints, but when it comes down too it, my prior expereience with Yami vs. my prior experience with Honda is partially why I went Honda this time. The little things matter, like the chain adjustment, and these are the little things that eventually made my decision for me. You can't go wrong either way, but one way will always be better than the other for you!

 

[Rico450R]

Honda or Yamaha, both bikes are great! But, in the long run we will find out who really is the KING!!! I'm with you desert_450R!!! HONDA FOREVER!!!!!!!