It is only a few inches off the ground. Prolly has 20" front tires and 18's in the rear. The front shocks have a lot of sag so it will sit lower and prolly a different rear shock or a lowering kit for the rear.
If you see many MX bikes you will notice that most sit really low since they want to have a lower center of gravity which allows them to take the corners at higher speeds.
This quad sits a little more than 5" off the ground with the rider. It has 19" tires on the front and 18" tires on the rear.
The front shocks have a lot of sag in them as does the rear (OEM rear with different springset).
This quad will see some MX action, but will be lifted up a bit from it's current ride height for that...
This setup is for some 300' Drag racing, ATV rodeo stuff, as well as some flat track (with flat track tires, of course). It's really a compromise setup for a series of events we run during the summer, but it works really well.
Those are a set from my 400EX - they are not setup for the 450R. For now, they work well enough for series I'm running.
All in all, the PEPs are a nice shock, but I do think they get more credit than they deserve (keep in mind I have 3 sets of PEP ZPS shocks) -- at least for the average buyer. Maybe the national level pros get better stuff or more attention paid to their setups, but in all my experience there's nothing special about these shocks compared to some of the others I've had (I've got experience with all the major shock builders) - especially when you consider the wait (I waited 5 months for my first set, bought my other two sets used).
My favorite set of shocks is a set I had built by Lazarus at GT Thunder. They were originally Works bodies that TCS had setup - I then sent them to GTT & had 5/8" shafts installed, heim joints, and new pistons - best shocks I've had so far, even better than the Axis shocks I ran for a while.
I think the smaller shock tuner will spend more time with you and your setup, granted he knows what he's doing, you'll end up with better suspension in the end. I know GTT asked me a lot more detailed questions about my suspension than anyone else has - important info the other guys apparently don't consider.
i've delt with Wayne from PEP for the past 4 years and have had excellent results. I've ran zps on my 400ex and now have a set on the 450R. if you have a 450 and are at nationals wayne is more than willing to help out because there are so few out there. Currently we're working on the rear shock settup We've moved from an 800 pound b spring down to a 700 pound for a 165 lb rider without gear, the 700 rides a lot better but requires all day friday during fridays practice to get it dialed in for each track where as the 800 is a little more general riding friendly. Just my 2 cents
Interesting info about the rear spring. I've only had my 450 about a week, but I'm finding the rear swaps around on me a little more than i'd like (especially in whoops). I'm not passing final judgement until I change the tires for some better (ie less bouncy) meats. I'm also going to try lighten the rebound up, see if that helps. I weight 165-170lbs, any other tips would be great.
Stock width in the front. It actually measures out at approx 46" at the height it's sitting at. It's just under 49.5" in the rear with a Lonestar axle & 5/3 offset 8" Douglas rear wheels.
Wayne/PEP - I've found him in the past to be less than helpful and actually downright rude. Not sure if he was having a bad day or what, regardless of what kind of day they've had - you don't treat people (who are ready to spend large sums of cash with you) like crap.
I've heard a lot of people praise Wayne, but I've also heard from quite a few people that had an experience like mine --- I don't need his shocks that badly.
As such, I still wanted to try a set of PEPs out, so I purchased my first set from Mark Baldwin. He was friendly and answered questions, but turnaround time was slow (5 months when promised 5 weeks) & I was not overly impressed with the shocks that I received.
I've since bought two more sets used, both of which worked OK, but nothing overly impressive. I will not be spending any more money with PEP since I've had better luck elsewhere (with turn around, end product results, and how I'm treated).