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Hello everybody.I live in Sweden(Europe) and I have a question about your tire choise at vinter.Do anybody use studdedtires or is it all studless?i know it´s not the right season but I bought my first quad 3 1/2 weeks ago and i´m realy intresded in your opinion´s over there.I subscribe on Dirt Wheels and have not seen any studded tires in any adds.

Sorry abot the spelling but I hope the peoples that hopefully will answer my question understands what I meen.

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Depends on if you're play riding or racing. For racing try a cheng shen c-826(rear tire) and 1 screw in each knob seems to be the standard. As far as fronts I have seen stock ohtsu's(400ex,250r), bandits or fast trekkers. Studding patterns vary alot on the fronts. For racing non-studded turf tamers or pro weadge's,4snows are your best bet. Usually people run the weadge'sor 4-snows 2 different ways. Either nearly flat on stock rims or on a modified rim(with a 4-5" spacer welded in to make the wheel wider, although you have to be real careful mounting the tires) . I hope this helps........
 

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Just to let you know, they do not sell tires already studded if that is what you were looking for. You can buy tire studs yourself and stud your own tires though, I believe that is the only way...
 

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if you want to run in the unstudded classes though the maxxis 4-snow is the best snow/ice tire for unstuds out there and I would go with prestudded tires if you are goin to run studs because if you go too far into the tire and it slips then you ahve a flat tire and you might be in the middle of a frozen lake wiht nothing 'round for a long time and u can't walk worth sh*t. sorry had a little trouble with sleds and ice this winter up north had to vent
 

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I Hear Ya Pickles, about the sleds, i traded mine in i was fed up wit it and i added in my 400 ex and got me a 450, lol the prob was on that sled it took a good 30 mins for it to act up so they didnt no n e thing was wrong, so i got lucky, i felt so guilty, but the dealer had screwed us outta a lotta $ over the years in the various trade ins we had so its not like they didnt make money off me, they sold my 400 the day i brought it, so yea they made 2000 of it right there and there gonna make about 1500 off the sled, so im sure they made enufff to fix it not counting all the other deals haha, but yea my next toy is a sea doo, ill be looking for one round mid august, i was gonna trick out my 450, but id rather have more toys, and im the only 450, well close to it rounf my county theres one more, so i have no worries yet.
 

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look at the RXP for seadoo or the new hondas are cool or the yamaha gp1300. we have a 96 waveventure and I get to driv it this year and that thing is hella fast. 62mph and it's stock. somethings just get good and stay good. oh it's the 1100 not the gay ass 700. but it's sweet. I think that 96 was a good year for alot of things. sleds... trucks.... etc. a very good year.NEways back to the topic don remember what it is..... or yes Ice tires maxxis 4snow if ur racin non studs or get some old bald tires that u been doing burnouts with 4 a few months nad get the gold digger snowmobile studs and seal up the damn thing or get the premade ones. (really any snowmobile studs that were ment to be on just ice are the best but others will do)
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Thank´s to everybody who answerd it helped.

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Here I copied this out of our ice racing league, so to speak it's easier than writing it all out.

Quad Ice Race Tire Manual

This information has been supplied to provide the first time ice racer with the ability to build a set of tires that will work and last. This information is current to the end of the 2003 ice race season and will be updated as the 2004 season unfolds. This by no means is the only way to build tires but this information is courtesy of the fastest quad racers in Alberta and has been proven to last for thousands of kilometers of ice racing.

Tires: What’s working and what’s not.

Rear Tires

1. Cheng Chen C-826 “Ice Tire”
Size: 20 x 11 x 9
Features: This is the traditional tire with 440 separate square knobs. Flat profile.
Pluses: Durable, proven. Great in soft ice conditions.
Minuses: With 440 screws installed it is heavy!
Hot Setup: Remove some knobs and reduce the number of screws to hook up better. Use one screw per knob.

2. Dunlop K927
Size: 20 x 10 x 10
Features: Alternating angled knob pattern with 110 knobs. Rounded profile and light weight casing.
Pluses: With two screws per knob it holds 220 screws and weighs 4 – 6 pounds less than a Cheng Chen. Works on hard and soft ice.
Minuses: Need to put on very wide rims to flatten the profile. Hard to find a supplier that has these in stock.
Hot Setup: 20 x 10 x 10 on 10 x 10 rims. 220 of 1-1/4 screws.

3. Kenda Klaws
Features: Similar to Dunlop K927 but has a dimple in the knob. Curved profile with light weight carcass.
Pluses: The same as Dunlop. Readily available.
Minuses: Limited time on these but what a great tire on hard ice!
Hot Setup: The same as Dunlop K927.

Front Tires

Two schools of thought – Large diameter for crawling out of ruts vs. small diameter and lighter casing for speed. Reality is most front tires work reasonably well in all conditions.

1. Cheng Chen Wooley Booger Copy
Size: 22 x 8 x 10
Features: Has lots of rubber to mount your screws. Has a flat profile.
Pluses: Has good directional ribs and large rolling diameter. Can use short 1⁄2” Gold Cutter screw that does not go through the tire.
Minuses: More reciprocating weight than other tires and you will have to replace missing screws after each race.
Hot Setup: Five screws per bar and one per knob. 1/2” Gold Cutters with 3/8” high head. Outer knobs can be removed on both sided to increase screw pressure.


2. Maxis Razor
Size: 21 x 7 x 10
Features: Center rib, curved profile.
Pluses: Lightweight with good screw pressure from center rib design. Can use 1⁄4” high screws.
Minuses: Knobs are soft so you need to run the screws through the tire and support them with the 5/8” or 3/4” flanged nuts.
Hot Setup: Use 1-1/4” maverick screw, anchor them with Wurth pawl nuts, and seal the tire and nuts with urethane on the inside.

3. Maxis Maverick
Size: 21 x 7 x 10
Features: A V-knob pattern with a curved profile on a light casing.
Pluses: Light and needs fewer screws.
Minuses: Not much experience with this tire but it has made the top three list.
Hot Setup: Can run the V-pattern forward or reverse to change braking characteristics. Use Maverick 1-1/4” with pawl nuts. Five screws per center V-rib, one per knob.

Ice Screws

What’s available, what’s hot!

1. Gold Cutter – AMA approved “USA rules”.
Features: 3/8” high head with a sharp cutting edge and a grooved feature to prevent the center from packing with ice. Shank is .129” O.D.

2. Holiday Ice Screw – CMA approved “Canadian rules”.
Features: 1/4” high head with a larger shank (.160” O.D.) Has a .300” washer at base of head, taller head, bigger shank because of increased stresses.

3. Maverick Ice Screw – CMA approved.
New screw for 2003 with a combination of features from both Gold Cutter and Holiday screws.
Features: 1/4” high with sharp edge and V-grooved center on the head. Large shank as well as a 3mm larger base collar (.400”) to provide stability. 1-1/4” and 1-1/2” sizes but by 2004 will have more length selections.

Retaining Nuts

Pawl or speed nuts – what is being used.

1. Wurth #502-2557
#10x1/2” O.D. flange

Features: Good retention and smaller and lighter but not as much support as the 3/4” or 5/8” sizes.

2. Wurth #502-2558
#10x3/4” O.D. flange

Features: Same as 2557 but has a larger flange with more support.

3. Au-ve-co #2896
3/16” hole 5/8” O.D. flange

Features: The hole is slightly larger than #10, so not as tight fitting on the screw shank. Would be too loose on gold cutter screws. Best feature is 3 tabs punched around flange O.D. that prevent it from rotating off.

Tire Scaling Materials

The Cheap

1. Locktite Quick-Tite Gel, 4 oz. Container
Available at Canadian Tire
Can be applied to the shank of a screw near the head to help seal the hole.

The Expensive

2. Duramix 4374
Two-part rubber compound that will adhere to rubber
Can be used on the upper shank of the screw at installation
Provides a superior seal to the nuts
Is best applied to the hollow of the nut then, as the nut is installed, it will coat the screw to act as a locking agent.
Available at Acklands or other auto body suppliers that carry Duramix products.
6 oz. Tube $45.00, at least two kits per tire
Note: has very short working time

The Cheap

3. Windshield Urethane
Comes in 310 ml. Cartridges of high viscosity or low viscosity vs. costly mix. The high viscosity dries faster.
The best success with urethane is to coat the screw and nut after installation and the nut can not come off past the coating.
You will need a high quality caulking gun to apply this stuff. It eats cheap guns.
Available from Greggs Distributors. 3M #08609 WINDO-WELD SUPER FAST URETHANE

Building Tires

1. Clean the inside of the tire with acetone or similar cleaner to remove dirt and releasing agents from the surface.

2. Lay out your pattern with paint pencil. Establish a left and right tire and mark them clearly.

3. Install the screws with the tire inflated to minimize hole size.
Note: Be careful to space or tilt the screws to allow space for the nuts on the inside. The small diameter Wurth 502-2557 nut is handy to use when crowding occurs.

4. When installed the screws, make sure they seat against the tire but do not sink them in.

5. Install retaining nuts. Again, seat the nut against the surface but do not pull the screw any deeper.

6. Apply the urethane to coat the protruding shank and nut. Use a cheap paint brush and cut the bristles short. Lay down a little at a time and daub it onto the nut, screw and casing in a thin layer. This will dry quickly and set up hard.

For ice racing use #1 for front and rear set-up, they will work any where. #1 on the front is the best any where. They last forever! #2-3 for the rear, if youre just playing. Follow the instructions, take you time and you'll never go flat.
 

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SWEET I think that that helped him the most prolly!
 

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Bump

Its winter time again. :D
 

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We use cheng shin c826 18x9.5x8 rears and 21x7x10 fast trekker fronts or dunlop lt500 fronts.Either black pro studs or gold (which can be sharpened) 1" in length, no leaks or pullouts.
Non studded boys use pro wedge or 4-snow's.
Tip:In the last year or 2 they have found that, believe it or not Hoosier tri tracs are the tire to beat.They are actually going to make a seperate class for them because of how good they work.
 

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Iceracer17 did they use studs in the tyre or just as is? How did they do in the loose stuff?

It's a cool looking tyre though.
 

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The studs i'm talking about are the ones that look like sheet metal screws,but with a deeper head on them.
They work best on glare ice,once ice dust accumulates on the outside groove and you get out there it's like you don't have any in.
 

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iceracer, I was just talking to an old classmate who still iceraces and he was telling me the same thing about the hoosiers. He said unless he switched from his weadges on the wide wheels to the hoosiers he wouldn't be competitive. To buy four wheels and rims is quite a chunk of change. Most of us ran the nonstudded classes to save money. Where do you race at in wisconsin? We used to race up at the bayview lodge.
 

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I'm running central wisconsin,which is everywhere from fremont over to neilsville and up to phillips.I may also try southern which runs on lake wisconsin i believe.
 

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Originally posted by iceracer17@Nov 14 2004, 10:34 AM
I'm running central wisconsin,which is everywhere from fremont over to neilsville and up to phillips.I may also try southern which runs on lake wisconsin i believe.
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Yup, thats at the bayview lodge. It's kinda nice there. Between classes you can go up to the lodge and watch the packer game, warm up, have a hamberger and go back out and race. When the races are over you can celebrate in the bar right there. It's also alot easier to get people to go with you to watch the races. If they get cold they can go up to the lodge and have some fun up there too.
 
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