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Need Shock Options and Clutch help

Hey guys, I need some help with a couple things, I run the XC race series AXCC, however it's been super bumpy and I'm new to all this and my stock suspension is beating me up. I have the new Alba XC a arms that can do standard travel or long travel and they are 1/2" wider each side. I finally got them dialed in and I like them. I would like to get some long travel shocks for the A arms, but others have said get some reworked stock shocks. but you can't make them longer.

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1, Elka Legacy with clickers and GT thunder rear XC link and go long travel with A Arms.

2. Sell the Arms or keep and just rework stock shocks.

Both of these options are in my price range. I want to do all 3 at the same time, however there is a guy selling some Elka Stage 5's locally for $1200 that are the length I need and the correct, weight. but that's the same price as the other two options and they would be used and I wouldn't be able to do my rear.

My clutch is super hard to pull and when looking at the lever coming out of the motor it appears to be coming straight out at the 6 oclock angle vs the 4 oclock angle. I've been told it maybe the arm itself is wore out or I may need another steel plate in my clutch? I'm looking at doing the ZstartPro, Rekluse clutch as well. I have a new motion pro cable and lever installed.
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One more question,

is it worth the $200 for the rebound adjustment on the Elka Legacy's? I have several friends with the stage 4 Elka's and they never touch the rebound adjustments. We trail ride all the time, xc race but never motocross. is it worth spending the money on it? All of them said no not really since we don't MX. But when you call to buy them it's the greatest thing in the world. I just run the C class in my series, basically just for fun, I'm not super competitive yet atleast my goal is to just finish each race.
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There is a lot to learn on shocks. You need to know the extended and compressed length of the shocks that is needed which can be different on one to the next arm brand. Also setting a shock up for a specific weight can change from arm to arm so unless the used shocks are set up exactly for your arm and weight then they will probably need changing. I always try to plan if I buy used shocks to have enough room to have them at least serviced. Also, there are a couple companies that are extending stock shocks, Jet Suspension and Hygear are the two I can think of. For what you say your style is if you can get shocks set up for your arms then the stock revalves will probably be plenty. Since your arms will do long travel, I would want long travel shocks and not be using the standard travel brackets. Long travel vs short travel doesn't really give you any extra travel at the wheel usually but the length of stroke and the ratios change allowing the shock to work better and smoother.

Also, many people never touch rebound and you probably shouldn't until you understand what the adjustments actually do. To me it is worth having rebound adjustment but it may not be to you if you don't think you will change it. Just remember if you don't get it the shock will have to be serviced to changed the rebound internally.

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duke416ex made a lot of good points.

Again, no matter what, if I bought used shocks I would have them rebuilt, and rebuilding can get costly. I just had a set of LT aftermarket front shocks, a LT aftermarket rear shock, and a stock rear shock rebuilt and I wanna say it was about $750, and that’s before shipping and I didn’t have any spring changes done.

As far as the Legacy shocks, I don’t think Elka shocks are that great to begin with, then you look at those super cheap shocks and I just don’t think they would perform very well. There’s gotta be a reason they are so cheap.

If you go aftermarket shocks I highly recommend Motowoz. They are great riding and great performing shocks and the price isn’t terrible.

I’m not sure what year your machine is, but if it’s a first-gen you could do the 06+ rear end swap and have the stock 06+ shock gone over and built to your specs by a reputable shop. If you have a second-gen have the rear shock done. Then for the fronts you could do the extended travel mod on your stock shocks, or go LT aftermarket shocks. For XC racing I don’t think the aftermarket LT shocks are a must. As far as the Alba arms, I wouldn’t trust them things too much, I’ve read some bad reviews on them.
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First off thanks for the replies! My bike is a 2014r. So I contacted Hygear and they won’t do the extended shocks however Jet does. They will do a triple rate fronts and dual rear with the ground thunder XC link for $800 shipped. Im between this set up and the Legacy with the rebound adjustments. That set up will cost roughly $500 more. But that’s the price of my Rekluse clutch I want. I’ll probably was end up going that route. I thought about the Elias because I could get my shocks revalved and put them on my sons kfx400, they are a popular upgrade for those. I’m not going to get the used ones.

I was skeptical of the alba a arms at first, I’ve run 2 Xc races so far and they’ve held up to me running into a tree well and the ball joints are top notch. Their powder coating sucks on them but overall they’ve been fine. I’m running them is +.5 inches on both sides. I was honestly going to get something different but they were out over a month and my stock a arms were bent in several places from previous owner.

Now I need to figure out why my clutch is a hard pull. New lever and new cable and lubed but there is something else wrong. The arms sticks straight out instead of an angle so that needs to be replaced or something in the clutch. At the last race I had Hess Motorsports look at it and they said I might need another piece of steel in the clutch? But no way to tell until I take it apart.
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If someone has put a clutch in it they may have used a different stiffer spring set. Also, I run Elkas, but I would not order and run a set straight from them I would get them from a good suspension shop that could either order them to their specs or get them new and do a revalve/respring if needed on them. I think Elkas can be good shocks but I don't like how they sometimes set them up.

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So I decided to go with Jet Suspension, they are going to give me triple rate fronts with dual rate rear and the Hess link. They will be long travel to fit my a arms. So I’m excited to see how it turns out. Tim over there is awesome to talk to!

I also have found out why my **** clutch isn’t working like it should. The previous owner had some one install a new clutch and they obviously were messing with him. The guy I bought it from never rode it. Couldn’t get the fee of the clutch down and now I know why! They didn’t line up the clutch frictions and even installed one of the frictions in the hubs cutouts! Wtf! That’s why I couldn’t adjust the pull right. It was so far out that it made it hard.
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Duke our next race is in KY at Park Mammoth, you going to go? Axccracing.com
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the last friction disc is not supposed to be in the fingers like that. it is however on a 400ex :p


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I didn't know anyone but mid south was racing at park mammoth, I will have to check it out. It is a bit of a rocky area with some good elevation changes. Some really fast xc guys live really close so you never know who might show up.

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Nice! Good thing my suspension will be here and I’m getting a new clutch then. Our last race was at Loretta Lynn’s Ranch. But we had 90 racers in the am and I believe 70 in the pm race. Our track for am was 13 miles and on was 14 miles. Super bumpy with roots. Our first race was here in TX and 12.8 mile track. But then they race UTVs on sundays. However we have to be driving home that day. My son and I will be there racing.

So it’s really rocky with lots of elevation changes? Loretta’s was like that.
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This is a mid west series. Yes I’m in over my head but with some suspension and clutch I’m hoping to be more competitive! The next race is in Iowa, then Oklahoma, then Illinois and the last race is in Missouri.
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I have not raced there but have been on the land before, it is comparable to Lorettas but a different type of rocks. It should be a fun place and the people I have talked to who ran the midsouths there enjoyed them.

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So I decided to go with Jet Suspension, they are going to give me triple rate fronts with dual rate rear and the Hess link. They will be long travel to fit my a arms. So Iím excited to see how it turns out. Tim over there is awesome to talk to!

I also have found out why my **** clutch isnít working like it should. The previous owner had some one install a new clutch and they obviously were messing with him. The guy I bought it from never rode it. Couldnít get the fee of the clutch down and now I know why! They didnít line up the clutch frictions and even installed one of the frictions in the hubs cutouts! Wtf! Thatís why I couldnít adjust the pull right. It was so far out that it made it hard.
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Basket and hub were in great shape just went with OEM clutch for now and got it adjusted. I got my jet suspension installed and it was nice at this last race, just sits low in the front with me on it. 6.75” for some reason. But we are working on that. I didn’t have the $$ to spend a ton on suspension and I just do this for fun so I thought that upgrading my shocks was a good fit for me.
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