With simple bolt on items, meaning 41mm FCR Keihen, Hot Seat intake system, HPD pipe, K&N filter w/Outerwears, and jetted perfectly.
The downsides are the intake is too long, the pipe too loud, and it's expensive. The carb and intake alone are $850, the exhaust (a megaphone design) is $650 and the filter w/Outerwears is $55. Readily available, easy to install, and effective. Given the fact that I didn't have dyno tires to fit this thing, I figure since it'll run side by side with a PC/SC, Hot Cams, Ron Wood Hi Flow intake kitted YFZ, I'd say it's making around 50 hp!
It revs considerably quicker, has excellent throttle response, and starts better too. I'm happy with the results but I want some cams to help the acceleration and give even better throttle response. It will lose a quad length to a YFZ initially then holds it's own from there.
Tony
Full Version: 43.5 hp, 34 lb/ft on KNOBBIES!
Good info. Alot of people have no clue that the Predator actually is a decent quad when "opened up" . The biggest problem I have seen with the Predator is just that it will get spanked by the light-weight 450's up the hills (weight), but hold it's own in the flat drags. I have a 450R & a Predator with same mods....the power is quite similar on the flats.
When you say the intake is too long w/ the intake set-up, what would you reccomend for a better set-up? Get rid of the stock intake tube - and go to a short intake tube (3-6") with a clamp on filter on the end?
When you say the intake is too long w/ the intake set-up, what would you reccomend for a better set-up? Get rid of the stock intake tube - and go to a short intake tube (3-6") with a clamp on filter on the end?
QUOTE(Vader @ May 30 2005, 01:28 AM)
When you say the intake is too long w/ the intake set-up, what would you reccomend for a better set-up? Get rid of the stock intake tube - and go to a short intake tube (3-6") with a clamp on filter on the end?
I made my own intake kit, unfortunately the seat pinches the filter, but it still works better than any of the purchased set-ups I've used. It made more HP and torque in all rpm ranges, with smoother delivery. It made 45 hp and 35 lb/ft and peaked at a little lower rpm. Now all I need is a Pulse Charger to extend the upper rpm range.
I'm still waiting on the Hot Cams so I can get better acceleration. The Predator like you said, suffers from too much weight, so the only alternative is to build more hp and torque lower in the rpm range w/o sacrificing the top end. That's the only way the Predator will stand a chance against the lightweight hord. That and really good tires.
Now, about the Pulse Charger, John!
Tony
Gezz:
That's alot for a h.p.d. pipe, was it a new settup on it. Pipe I mean from h.p.d. ; for I only paid $350.00 + s.h. . Also what year of predator are you trying to build up.
thanks.
On the weight, I have seen them down to 340 lbs.
That's alot for a h.p.d. pipe, was it a new settup on it. Pipe I mean from h.p.d. ; for I only paid $350.00 + s.h. . Also what year of predator are you trying to build up.
thanks.
On the weight, I have seen them down to 340 lbs.
This is a megaphone style pipe. It's not their normal pipe.
It's an 04.
Tony
It's an 04.
Tony
ticeman, do nobbies show less h.p. on a dyno?
Well ino i raced sum very fast preddies, and right up till when i got the PC they would beat me by about a quad length on a say 250M Drag.
QUOTE(470r @ Jun 4 2005, 12:49 AM)
ticeman, do nobbies show less h.p. on a dyno?
You betcha!!! Depending on the tread pattern and newness of the tire it can be quite a bit. As much as 10 hp difference is what I have personally seen. And this unit would have been in that 10 hp range too.
Tony
My last bike was Sport400 setup for flat drags, still have a soft spot for Polaris, and if I wouldnt went to work at the Honda shop might be riding a Preadtor right now. That is why this bike caught my eye.
When are the Hot Cams going to be coming out for the Preditors?? I have a guy keep asking me because he doesn't want to spend 500+ on other cams.
QUOTE(sloverado @ Jun 24 2005, 11:32 AM)
When are the Hot Cams going to be coming out for the Preditors?? I have a guy keep asking me because he doesn't want to spend 500+ on other cams.
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i just thought that i would share this photo of my buddies predator. it has a sparks built motor. sparks everything except cams which are web cams. it's pretty fast!
If you guys are looking for fast predators, check out www.nicholascylce.com, Doug builds some fast quads, I have ran both his stage one and two motors with some extras. I have found several problems with the predators though, reliablity especially when ridin hard and modified is the most important one, and that is why I have a brand new Honda sitting in my garage and will be selling my predator, I liked the predator a lot but after riding my new 450r today I dont think I would enjoy it as much, the weight is a really big issue, the tranny dont shift as good, the brakes are way to spongy for having stainless lines, and the biggest thing is I was working on it more than riding it, it was always something, I wil miss my electric start though.
A buddy of mine just bought a TLD preddy about a month ago.I was actually very impressed by it. I know he's lookin to hop it up a tad. I'll keep readin.....
Thought i would add a little to this...
Here is JBCL's Predators dyno runs from Little Sahara OK, he's running a K&N w/modified air box and a TRX450R carb and thats it! Right after his run, we dynoed a YFZ with cam mod, GYTR jet kit, and GYTR slip-on and the best it could do in these conditions was 40HP and 26TQ. We are planing to put in a high compression piston, cams and a pipe next and port the head. We really wish Mixxer would look into making parts for the Predator.
Tony, any word from Hot Cams on the release date??
Here is JBCL's Predators dyno runs from Little Sahara OK, he's running a K&N w/modified air box and a TRX450R carb and thats it! Right after his run, we dynoed a YFZ with cam mod, GYTR jet kit, and GYTR slip-on and the best it could do in these conditions was 40HP and 26TQ. We are planing to put in a high compression piston, cams and a pipe next and port the head. We really wish Mixxer would look into making parts for the Predator.
Tony, any word from Hot Cams on the release date??
That graph looks familiar. What pipe? I haven't worked with the stocker too much other than removing the baffle w/arrestor and finding 3 missed hp in low-upper mid rpm and about even on top w/o rejetting.
Not a word on the cams. I called a couple weeks ago and wanted to know WTF is going on. I didn't get a clear answer. That tells me they are behind on everything else.
Hopefully we'll hear something soon.
Tony
Not a word on the cams. I called a couple weeks ago and wanted to know WTF is going on. I didn't get a clear answer. That tells me they are behind on everything else.
Hopefully we'll hear something soon.
Tony
QUOTE(Ticeman @ Jul 31 2005, 06:30 PM)
That graph looks familiar. What pipe? I haven't worked with the stocker too much other than removing the baffle w/arrestor and finding 3 missed hp in low-upper mid rpm and about even on top w/o rejetting.
Not a word on the cams. I called a couple weeks ago and wanted to know WTF is going on. I didn't get a clear answer. That tells me they are behind on everything else.
Hopefully we'll hear something soon.
Tony
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Not a word on the cams. I called a couple weeks ago and wanted to know WTF is going on. I didn't get a clear answer. That tells me they are behind on everything else.
Hopefully we'll hear something soon.
Tony
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That was with a stock pipe, he has a custom end cap (open, no spark arrestor) that he made. I wonder if his end cap robbed him of power also.
Did you fabricate a PC on to one yet??
A friend has an 04 Predator, stock except for pipe and tires, and all I herd was how fast it is, over and over and over, well you get the point. We lined them up on a split track, I took the right side (which is rougher), and being nervous about getting smoked (after all everybody that rode it said It was the fastest quad they have ever ridden) I laid the R out as hard as I possibly could, laying on the tank I took the line and didn’t look back until I crossed the predetermined mark. I smoked him by 4 – 5 lengths? I’m thinking WTF; I thought it was going to be neck and neck at best… He kept making excuses, “you jumped the line”, “I have been tinkering with my gearing” BS, a friend watched the start and said it was dead even until second gear, then the R pulled on him like a train…
I had to take a ride on the infamous Predator, it is fast, and when it feels like you’re at the end of the rpm’s there is still 1500 left. Its stability impressed me the most for stock, very hard to get the front to come up. Over all a pretty well balanced machine…
I had to take a ride on the infamous Predator, it is fast, and when it feels like you’re at the end of the rpm’s there is still 1500 left. Its stability impressed me the most for stock, very hard to get the front to come up. Over all a pretty well balanced machine…
QUOTE(doncap411 @ Jul 31 2005, 08:01 PM)
A friend has an 04 Predator, stock except for pipe and tires, and all I herd was how fast it is, over and over and over, well you get the point. We lined them up on a split track, I took the right side (which is rougher), and being nervous about getting smoked (after all everybody that rode it said It was the fastest quad they have ever ridden) I laid the R out as hard as I possibly could, laying on the tank I took the line and didn’t look back until I crossed the predetermined mark. I smoked him by 4 – 5 lengths? I’m thinking WTF; I thought it was going to be neck and neck at best… He kept making excuses, “you jumped the line”, “I have been tinkering with my gearing” BS, a friend watched the start and said it was dead even until second gear, then the R pulled on him like a train…
I had to take a ride on the infamous Predator, it is fast, and when it feels like you’re at the end of the rpm’s there is still 1500 left. Its stability impressed me the most for stock, very hard to get the front to come up. Over all a pretty well balanced machine…
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I had to take a ride on the infamous Predator, it is fast, and when it feels like you’re at the end of the rpm’s there is still 1500 left. Its stability impressed me the most for stock, very hard to get the front to come up. Over all a pretty well balanced machine…
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Yeah there no TRX or YFZ, there kinda in between them and the Raptor and DS. I bet after we get through with his, there will be a couple of unexpected quads that get pounced on.
QUOTE(Ticeman @ Jul 31 2005, 04:30 PM)
That graph looks familiar. What pipe? I haven't worked with the stocker too much other than removing the baffle w/arrestor and finding 3 missed hp in low-upper mid rpm and about even on top w/o rejetting.
Not a word on the cams. I called a couple weeks ago and wanted to know WTF is going on. I didn't get a clear answer. That tells me they are behind on everything else.
Hopefully we'll hear something soon.
Tony
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Not a word on the cams. I called a couple weeks ago and wanted to know WTF is going on. I didn't get a clear answer. That tells me they are behind on everything else.
Hopefully we'll hear something soon.
Tony
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any news on those cams?
Nope. Still waiting.
Tony
Tony
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Nope. Still waiting.
Tony
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that sux my brother in law is sick and tired of getting smoked by me with his hi comp piston predator i thought with some cams i could sand bag and at least make him feel better
I love my 05 predator TLD its has a Dyno jetkit, K&N off the carb, White Brothers cdi box, 15 tooth sprocket, rath ceramic header and white broters mx4 siancler. have the honda M/C now i run half race fuel and half 91 octange. Soon to be do to it is Nicholas Racing carb, Nicholas Racing Cam kit for MX racing, NICHOLAS RACING 5 ANGLE VALVE JOB, 574cc Billet cylinder kit and bigger carb.
outta the box the predator is close with other quads just the other day i was beating my freinds ltr450 with my wifes stock 05 pred until 4th gear then he passed but his has a few things
i think they got great tires and suspension a little soft but other then that its a good quad im gunna do a few things to it next summer
i think they got great tires and suspension a little soft but other then that its a good quad im gunna do a few things to it next summer
QUOTE(jwilson84 @ Nov 27 2007, 10:52 PM)
outta the box the predator is close with other quads just the other day i was beating my freinds ltr450 with my wifes stock 05 pred until 4th gear then he passed but his has a few things
i think they got great tires and suspension a little soft but other then that its a good quad im gunna do a few things to it next summer
i think they got great tires and suspension a little soft but other then that its a good quad im gunna do a few things to it next summer
I think we need to do a straight axle 525 now and do a full blown comparo on a YFZ and Raptor. Miller is coming up in late Dec, might be the right time for that.
you will notice my overlay from the previous run in feb. I made 48.49 with the stock bore and the additional 7 hp from bolting on the 558 kit from HPD. it seems to compliment the cams and carb well. you can see they ran it all the way out to 10,200. wicth is 200 rpm past the limit of the stock rod. It was not tuned because the run was to compare the big bore kit. I have a ported head thats going on next and it will be tuned at that time.
so ur around 55 with un ported should be wicked combo
what's a good exhaust for the 05 troy lee I bet there a good few hp if u take that large intake off but replacements are fairly high
what do you guys suggest
what's a good exhaust for the 05 troy lee I bet there a good few hp if u take that large intake off but replacements are fairly high
what do you guys suggest
QUOTE(jwilson84 @ Nov 28 2007, 07:30 AM)
so ur around 55 with un ported should be wicked combo
what's a good exhaust for the 05 troy lee I bet there a good few hp if u take that large intake off but replacements are fairly high
what do you guys suggest
what's a good exhaust for the 05 troy lee I bet there a good few hp if u take that large intake off but replacements are fairly high
what do you guys suggest
yes 55 with the stock head and valves.I have a secret weapon in the head.LOL
I'm using HPD powermaxx but it's a little spendy. The ct would do about the same for top end, most people just go with the hmf slip on and I've heard the yosh is a good full system.
08 Outlaw 525 S, 39.86 hp and 30.13 lb/ft, all stock (I can't remember the numbers EXACTLY but, this is very close, interuptions, I hate them), this morning at 9AM, bad day for this too, 68% humidity. I'll have to put the graphs up to compare the YFZ and YFM700R and Outlaw 525, on different days obviously.
Here is my 558 stock head, cams, valves on a crappy day for a pull, the humidity was horrible.
No idea why its not working, but here is a link.
http://predatorowners.com/memberphotos/pre...%20%20jpeg1.jpg
No idea why its not working, but here is a link.
http://predatorowners.com/memberphotos/pre...%20%20jpeg1.jpg
QUOTE(00chevy @ Nov 28 2007, 04:32 PM)
Here is my 558 stock head, cams, valves on a crappy day for a pull, the humidity was horrible.
No idea why its not working, but here is a link.
http://predatorowners.com/memberphotos/pre...%20%20jpeg1.jpg
No idea why its not working, but here is a link.
http://predatorowners.com/memberphotos/pre...%20%20jpeg1.jpg
Thanks man, nothing impressive. Ive added cams since and havent been back to the dyno yet.
Im sure it will pull more with less humidity. The humidity was crazy that day.
Im sure it will pull more with less humidity. The humidity was crazy that day.
any further results ticeman?
QUOTE(jmthepred @ Jan 3 2008, 11:07 AM)
any further results ticeman?Nope. The horse is dead.
I have been building this predator for a dogs age. it's not average. no dyno numbers but FSA race results last weekend I was 4th out of 9 and a Dq'd by first made me 3rd. it weighs 580 with me on it bike is 380fsa
43.5hp? thats it??? what are the preditors stock hp at roughly????? i would have figured they would have more hp than that... goes to show what i know
QUOTE(KEVIN_TRX450ER @ Jan 30 2009, 06:50 PM)
43.5hp? thats it??? what are the preditors stock hp at roughly????? i would have figured they would have more hp than that... goes to show what i know
that was a mild build. stock they are about the same as the 04-05 trx but they are capable of quite a bit more. perhaps more than the trx is capable of making however the weight is the main restriction.
what most people don't realize is how much more R&D go in to the yamaha and honda and because of there popularity they are much cheaper and easier to get hp out of.
TRX VS PREDATOR @FSA
JM how fast where you going ???? I am one of Jims friends and its a huge improvement from last year night and day and keep it up bro if you can get that thing in the 260 weight range that thing would do some serious damage in any class you put it in GOOD WORK. and for all you that dont know its full weight so lossing 100 pounds would be easy on that thing
QUOTE(Thermal450r @ Feb 13 2009, 08:55 PM)
JM how fast where you going ???? I am one of Jims friends and its a huge improvement from last year night and day and keep it up bro if you can get that thing in the 260 weight range that thing would do some serious damage in any class you put it in GOOD WORK. and for all you that dont know its full weight so lossing 100 pounds would be easy on that thing
Thanks, it has taken a long time to get it there and just being able keep up was damn cool. I learned a lot building this engine but there is more. the head was ported a year ago for the 558, at the time I was not sure of weather or not I should get a port job that would kill off the bottom end. the cams are shelf cams so between finding the right porting for the bigbore and getting a specific set of cams it will probably make enough power to run in any class like you said but the weight on this bike is in the engine so I doubt it will ever get much under 300lbs but if it did I would be looking for a 100 lb jockey LOL
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