I just recently bought a 07 trx 450r brand new one they had not sold yet. I am pretty new to the sport have ridden every thing from 660s banshee's and blasters. I live in oregon and really need a sand set up.

As far as the rear i am thinking a 20-10-10 9 paddle with the douglas .160 10x9

For the fronts i have no idea on wheel size or tire size that i should run.

I like to ride every thing from hills to trails probly will not drag much.

Get sand stars for the fronts 21'' and the rears 21 x 10 x 8 8 paddle hualers for the rear. 10" rears blow ass if you want to do the little or crazy tree shots.

i would not do a 9 paddle either. stick to a 7 or 8. i was recently using a friends 20-11-9, 7 paddle...thats what i was using when you and i met want2bfast. they work WAY better than my normal 20-10-10, 8 paddle. his are built on maxxis razr cases, so i am looking for a used set to have some made up.

i wouldnt say the 10'" wheeled versions "blow ass", but the 8" and 9" versions certainly do work better. the taller sidewall makes quite a difference.
as want2b said, the 21" do work great for doing tree shots and such. they also work better for dragging than 20". i have a set of 21" 6p extremes. they work great for hills, but i didnt care for them when running trails hard. i felt they tend to bounce around more in the whoops than 20's. the more aggressive riders will tell you its no problem. but hey...im 43, fat and out of shape. whoops are not my thing!!!!


for fronts, i wouldnt get carried away with having to have sand fronts right away. the stock fronts work just fine. they will push in corners(especially with paddles), but so do any of the ribbed fronts. just not as much. if you have the money great, if not...no biggy.

where are you in oregon? i have a set of 20-10-10 8pad that i would let you try. they are not in the best of shape, but you could throw them on and try them. also, if you are interested in 21's, we could probably work something out on mine. pm me if interested

Yeah this is my first time on here i am from salem. Planning on ridding floriance laborday weekend.

I've got 22x11x10 8 paddle hauler extremes and they seem to work pretty good but i've never tried the 21x12x8 tires but I really want too. The ones I got hook up good though and i never get stuck in the ruts doing hill climbs thats what i like about the 22's but they don't really wanna slid around much so playing around isn't quite as fun as the v paddle's i had last year but i do so much better in drags and hill climbs now.

I kinda like the all around ridding so i am not sure about the haulers but they seem to be what alot of people like.

if you like tree shots and drag racing you need haulers. You will get use to the rest. They dont slide around as easy but you can do the doughnuts if you really want to.

Looked on line and thinking the the skat track edge might be the best option.

21x12x8 8 paddle
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22x11x10 8 paddle

Thanks for all the Feed back got to ride at big lake last weekend but i really cant wait to get to the sand in acouple of weeks.

Save some money and buy some sand stars on 8" rims..

O ya I can still do doughnuts for sure I just can't go around to many times or these suckers did such deep ruts it'll flip you on your lid before you know it lol.

the way i look at it, if your just playing around and having fun, like me. i am 300 lbs, i do tree shots, race the trails, and hit burms and what not. i use 20x10x10 8 paddle extremes, and they work great.
they tend to dig a little. but i have made it up everything ive wanted to. as for the fronts i feel the mohawks are the best. the sand stars seem squirly to me as do the trackers. and the stockers push really bad on tight corners. oh yeah and if you want to through sand the squarer top and low sidewall of the 20x10x10 extremes through hugh amounts of sand! everyone i ride with hates me haha!

Stick with a set of haulers or youll be wasting money and buying them later. Some of us have been there done that and know what works and doesnt on the 450 in the Oregon Sand. Haulers work, 21s or 22s in a 7-9 paddle. 10 is to much for most setups.....Extremes are not necessary unless you like giving away power. Edges are not what you want....believe what your reading here, we are trying to help you. an 8 inch wheel is just what you need, 10" wheels do blow ass, its a fact...look it up, wheel 101.com.

Haulers are better for hill climbing, forward bite, racing, etc. They flat hook up!!
For the fronts I like Mohawks in a 21".

Thanks for all the help! Hey i have the 07 about 4 weeks old and the motor is really loud sounds like it is going to blow. I have heard that is normal in the 450s but being my first bike it freaks me out.

Really? Please explain, I have extremes and like 'em but I came off of sandstars, I would like to know your thoughts. Mine are 20-10-10-6 paddle.

Sure...my thoughts....The thicker carcass of the paddles takes more power to turn than a normal hauler....thus your giving up HP. Not to many people who are making serious HP run Extremes....at least not on the 450s anyways.

22x11x8 Haulers are one of the best all around tires out there. I prefer 22x11x8 Extreme 7 paddles. Dont go higher than a 7 paddle on a stock bike. Just bogs them down in the sand.

I tried, got a specific area or clearer website?

i run extemes simply because i have a little hardpack to ride on to get to the sand. they hold up better than haulers do. i have a set of haulers that made 4 or 5 trips and they are cracking at the bases and are peeling back. fwiw...they were used, but "looked" nearly new when i got them.

I tried, got a specific area or clearer website?

Try
beentheredonethat.com or
10"wheelsblowass.com or Imtoostubborntolistentoguyswhovespenttonsofmoneyonwheelandtirecombostryingtofindtheoptimalsetups.com

or you could look at all of the quads running and winning the FSA races and see what they are running, them der men dont run what dont work.

OR

Come to Oregon and run your setup and then run one of the setups that one of us FROM Oregon have suggested and see what one works best.

Oregon is a bit far for me to go try out a set of paddles, it was a serious question. Is that a Honda shadow in your sig. or a v65 magna.....
















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Honda doesnt build any cruiser that can even come close to that bike, nor have they ever and Ive owned em.

My answer/reply was serious....10"wheels suck ass. Im not here to convince you or try to persuade you to see it my way. If you like em.......GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGreat

i completly agree with everything said here about 8 inch wheels and 21 or 22's. i went with 21x12x8 9 paddle extremes. i will go with 8 paddles next time but the extra isn't that big a deal. i went with extremes because of how much more durable they are, and i'm not that into drag racing. the extra height also helps almost everywhere since the ruts can get pretty deep

Listen to what these guys are saying and save yourself some money... with the 8 inch wheel its about physics the larger the volume of air and the lower the psi the more float you will achieve. With sand float is critical. As for the Extreme/ Hauler debate goes... it has to do with flexibility and the ability for the haulers to lay back creating less drag (rolling resistance).

great info here. I too am debating the switch from 10" to 8" rear rims. I was always under the impression you get alot more traction or better hookup with the 8" rim but at the expense of crisp and responsive handling... am I off? Not alot of talk about the differences in handling here.

I assume with a 10" rim you could slide the ass end around easier thus making it 'easier' to handle, no? I really don't know... just speculating. It works this way with cars anyway. Whats the best size rim to run if optimal handling is your goal

You got it man, 10" rims are better for what you and I do, haul ass through the dunes and not just up a hill. I used to run 21-12-8-8 paddle on my 400ex but I'm much happier with 20-10-10-6 paddle on the 450R. I would like to try a set of 8's on my 450R as I can see how a difference in power might change things but I don't forsee a major change in the go straight feel of the 8's. JMO.....

Contact Champ and let me know if you can keep up... In the dunes..

I would love to ride the Oregon dunes someday, beautiful country. Sounds like you have a lot of respect for Champ, I see he runs 21-12-8-8 paddles and a lot of engine to go with it! I doubt I could keep up......However, I would love the opportunity to try!






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Update

Went with the 20-10-10 9 paddle haulers on the douglas black labels

This setup was perfect for me had no probles any where i dragged jumped and did some hills thought the 9 paddle was going to be to much but is was fine.

Thanks for all the input

Its not all about hauling ass with a 8 inch wheel. The 8 inch wheel also gives you more sidewall and cushions your ride. It also helps with ground clearance because the tire swells a little at higher rpms and keeps the sprocket out of the sand. This is assuming you take off your skid plate like everyone else.

Looking at all the replies on here. Dont ask for advice if you already know what your gonna do. Its pointless to help someone if they think that everyone is bullshitting them or trying to convince them to see it their way. Most of us have the experience and spent or wasted the money on chitty paddles. Look thru all the post and see how many people tell you to get haulers. Almost every single one. Whatever you do make sure you get a paddle with an 8 inch wheel.

ok well let me say that i run the itp sand stars 20's on a 8 inch wheel, i have never had a problem with getting stuck in the trees and i have never had a problem launching, to tell you the truth i have tattooed alot of bike with the haulers and ultralights, i admit they are on the heavy side but what i have noticed is you are able to "toss" the bike around. with the haulers and ultralights they have a tendency to want to take the bike and go straight with it. that kinda sucks when you are in a slide and you want to keep the bike sideways and it wants to do the opposite. so before you make a choice i will personally let you barrow mine to prove a point that the haulers are not all what they are hyped up to be.

your right for the most apart about sliding the rear end around concerning wedged vs straight padlles. although my 8 paddle extreme haulers are worn down a bit now so they dont hook as much as they did new. The a$$ end is plenty slipperey, probably simular to a set of gliders. I have no problems hucking it sideways. manuevring through trails or soft sand.

Although your point is valid. when I was running 10 paddle haulers I could barely turn the bike on soft sand. My banshee used to be a fun ride when it had sand skate II's. I'm considering buying another set of SandSkate II's because they turn like my worn out extremes but have the hook up of newer tires (not hauler hookup but decent hookup)

Another thing, the type of tires you choose should be based on what kind riding your going to do. Some people may have no use for wedge tires while some may have no use for haulers. it depends if you hill shoot or ride trails, etc