has anybody used them yet? i was looking at the maxxis site and seen them. they list them at 10lbs for the rear. seams pretty heavy to me. my rear tire and rim combo only weight is 7 lbs. maybe it was a type-o


any info on these?


heres the link

http://www.maxxis.com/MotorcycleATV/ATV-Sp...zr-TT-Rear.aspx

Better save your money and Buy the new-to-be release Duros...

Better tire and I sure will be cheaper.

Dave

I wish Duro would release them, I would like to buy a set. If for no other reason than the way they have steped up for our sport the past couple of years.

any pics of these duro's floating around?

Picture won't help the tire look the same it's the compound and the wieght what's different.

Here a shot but can't tell much.

now those look like ft/tt tires. them ones they make i dont know what they are, lol. look like a paddle tire.

what kind of compounds do they offer? what is the weight of them? when are you shipping me a set, lol?

I got to use my Duro's for the first time last night. Holy cow those things were hooked like mad. Only complaint I have is I wish they were lighter. The track was very heavy and had a lot of loose stuff off of the groove. With the Duro's I could run up in the loose stuff where nobody else could. Also couldnt keep the dang thing from wheeling off the line. I may have to get me a set of these new Duro's that are lighter.

The only price I've seen on the maxxis is $110. Kinda high for an unproven tire.

"Kinda High" ?

Try ordering them. They are showing up in parts catalogs, but they are not even in production yet.

jUSTIN AS FAST AS YOU R YOU NEED TO GET A SET FOR THE NEXT RACE:)

Haha TNT tried to get a cpl sets to try out but nobody can get them yet.

I felt like $110 was a little high when you can get Hoosiers for $90. When you have a budget like I do, $20 a tire is quite a difference

x2!!!!!!!! It would like be buying 4 tires for the price of 5 hoosiers. I might have to try the duros out my hoosiers are almost done and im gonna have to get new tires here when the season gets done.

hahah you guys and your fancy tires..ive ran all of about 12 races of my crappy tt carreer on the same 33 compound AR tires... lolol i did run some tri tracs once, but they didnt work very well... So maybe ill get a set of the duros, but hoosiers for 75 sounds good!


Justin is fast? haha I saw the results for the last race, and I agree

The Duro's will also last 15 times longer than Hoosiers or American Racers. That is not an exageration either. Im startin to sound like a spokes person for them too, but I have no affiliation with them at all. Promise. Haha

P.S. Im not fast. I just got lucky.

I wish I was just as lucky then!

How much grooving are you doin to those Duros ?

hey are you sure your not sponsored by them, lol.

im still on the same rear tires i bought off of you last year at pine lake, lol. i think its time for some new ones.


well since were talking alot about ft tires. as you know jebblin, i got a set of d10 and d12 off of you. i know there soft compound and they have worked great for me. but what advanages do the higher compound tires give?

the real question. when you go to a track and you look at it. what in your mind tells you to switch to this compound over that compound? im the one that doesnt like change, so the d10 and d12 have worked well for me. if i were to get a 23 33 compound or what ever, what will i notice?

I wonder the same things about compound and lookin at the tracks, all that i know is that if you got soft compound and the track is slick as sh*t it will start eating the tires away real fast, I wasnt happy watching my tires go away so fast on a crapy track!

Dont sell yourself short Justin! I definately want a set of the Duros if they last that much longer they are worth 20 extra a tire.

Zac is going throught a set of rear this year every weekend of the Phase II Duros Top Fightres. I would say and amutuer could get three races out of a set of them. The Phase III will not last that long in my opinion we have to wait and see. As far as grooving we have been cutting the crap pout of them. They havea lot of rubber and that gives you a lot to groove to your taste.

The Duros I am thinking are selling for @65 each retail.

Also explain the real advantages of grooving tires, is there really that much that can be gain from it?

Like night and day:)

ok we got 2 conflicting results. jebblin says they will last alot longer, then zac is buring threw them as quick as he puts them on.

Zac sponsored by Duro and he pulls them before someone that would be paying for them..... But these new ones will not last more than two races. AR we go throught two sets of rears per weekend! never used Hoosers so I can't say.

A nothing thing Justin is using the Phase I tires and they will last a lot longer than the newer versions...

When I was talking about prices, $110 and $90. I was talking about the Maxxis vs. The Hoosier cuz that is what the thread was started out about. As far as the duros go, you can get the phase 1 tires pretty cheap.

Take a nap and do a little yard work and look at all you miss on the org. haha

I dont know what Duro's I have, but they are a set of Zac's old ones. They were "junk" to him, but they still have plenty of tread. I did a little more cutting on them and they worked great last weekend.

Deerchopper - you bought those off of Mad B, not me.

When choosing the compound tire it basically comes down to how important the race is to you. At the nationals I will put on a brand new set of RD12 10x8 hoosiers for the mains knowing that they are going to be junk after 30 laps. That is the middle compound. The softer the better basically. They will grip better but wear out faster.

As for grooving and siping. Grooves cool the tire and sipes heat the tire up. I rarely do any siping but there is A LOT to be gained from grooving. I have a way for each brand of tire and then some variations for the track conditions. If there is a lot of loose stuff on top then the more grooves the better. That will help the tire dig and clean out better. If is smooth and slick then you dont want to groove a lot because you want the most rubber on the track as possible.

This is just what has been working for me. I am definitly no expert though.

If you really want to know about Hoosiers and cutting them message Mad B. He knows quite a bit about tires.

I will go take a few pictures of some tires for you guys to kind of show what I am talking about. Stay tuned.

Pictures:

Duros...Just to show you how much grooving is done. KyKult posted a picture of some new ones earlier in the thread. That is what these used to look like.



Here is my Hoosier RD12's from Pennsylvania. These were used for the Pro Lites and Pro-Am Unlimited Mains. 15 laps each. Needless to say they are not even good for practice tires anymore, but that is the price you have to pay to run with these guys. Its not cheap.

Thanks for the pics

Like Justin said trust us while we tell you grooving is like Night and Day. I grooved my tire at The nationals for the first time in Tulsa. I thought there was no way i could get the tires I was running to hookup. I didn't have to money for new ones cause of the shear cost of racing there. My brother went around and found a guy that was grooving a Sprint car tire and asked if he would mind if we used the groover. Will we went over there and grooved my rears. Will night and Day now I own a tires groover. I just bought the one on e-bay for 89.00 and it works great. People told me it would not be a good groover but I've had no problems.

Justin do you thank the new duro's will last as long?

No idea. I have not seen one or felt one. Zac would be the guy to know. Im sure they have been practicing with some already.

One thing u guys need to remember when selecting a tire compound is the amount of heat the tires r creating. If ur tires get to hot to fast, then ur going to shred them to pieces and by the end of the race there gone. One of our most used tools was a laser tire temp gage. We would keep track of temps for all 4 tires. One thing u want to do for ur rear tires is to measure the heat on the outside edge, middle, and inside edge of tire. Based on this, u may have to make adjustments in air pressure, compound, or even sway bar. This will tell u what area of the tire is doing the most work. And dont forget to check air pressure each time u come off the track. Heat will cause the tire to gain air pressure (like a basketball left in the hot sun). Something else u might do if ur shredding ur right rear(because most tt tracks have more left turns) is to use a harder compound on that side. When we ran Ashtabula, we would sometimes have a 23 on the left and a 33 on the right. A harder compound tire might not be the fastes thing at first, but on a big track with several laps, they will be there in the end! Remember, traction is created by friction between the tire and its contact surface. Friction also creates heat!! If u learn to manage this, which takes time, u should see a difference in the life of ur tires. Good Luck!!!

Dave, do you or any one else know where to get the phase 2 Duros? A few of us from Ky are are thinking about hitting a few TT races this fall once the mx nats are over. I spent half a day with my local mechanic and we couldn't find anyone who even knew what we were talking about. All we could find are the old heavy 6 ply tires like Rocky Mountain sells. Am I correct in that the phase 2 tires are the 2030 ( c ) the old tire is the 2014?

r these the ones your looking for? http://www.cedarrapidstire.com/home.php?cat=649