Im finally going to get this pig dynoed.

Hopefully i will have dyno comparisons between a Rossier Vs a HRC/HMF setup

Anyone in the area have a stage 3 or 208 that they would let me borrow for dyno testing?

Or any other exhausts or Cams.

Thanks-Kip

DYNO RUNS ON SECOND AND THIRD PAGES.

i have the hrc/hmf combo and i would really like to see the comparison!

My buddy has a Rossier, so im sure he would let me use it for the day.

-Kip

sweet deal, get it going then.

Kip- Where are you going? Rocket Factory said that their Dyno days for the Raptors will also be open to other builds. They'll be in Salem off of HWY 22 on Gaffin RD I believe......and they use an AFR

Probably Going to Templeton.

Pm me with more details on the Rocket Factor Dyno Please!

-Kip

me too..

im down for those guys to tune my bike, they do some sick raptor builds.

i have a stage 3 in a carrier i can send to ya if interested. i also have a brand new dasa sitting here for my other quad if you want to try it out. let me know so i can ship monday.

Killer Offer Soyo. I just dont think i can swing the shipping costs. Was looking for someone more local.

Im sure ill be back to the dyno again, and i may have to take you up on your offer.

-Kip

log on to the raptorforum site and the days and so forth are in the mods section

Alright, heres the deal. This friday i will be going to Templeton Motorsports to get it tuned.

He owns a dynomite dyno. Some people say numbers are up, some say they are close.

I have an idea around what mine should make, so we will know when i dyno it if its close or way off.

I will be doing some unbiased testing between a HRC/HMF exhaust and ROssier Exhaust. If anyone else has any other exhausts in the area let me know.

I talked to bill, and we figured out a plan that would satisfy both likings. Bill is going to tune the bike to the best of his ability, with emphasis on the TQ curve, and get it Zeroed in without the A/F meter, and then we will throw on the A/F meter and see what his readings are.

I have a feeling that 12:1 or 12.5:1 is about where the Meter will read his jetting, and thats where i want it.

Stay tuned for results.

And WARNING, if this turns into a bash fest at all, or any sort of Bashing or BS, i will have this thread closed by the mods. There is no reason for BS, so stay out if you plan to do that. Im all for questions and such, but keep the crap away please.

Mod list will be posted with Numbers/ Graph on Friday.

-Kip

where is the templeton dyno? i have a venom exhaust you could try

Keizer, OR

I would sure love to try the venom Exhaust!

-Kip

Pm sent

Venom Pipe in the Lineup as well.

This should be some good unbiased testing. Neither the shop or i am biased towards any of the pipe manufacturers.

*No results will be tampered with in the making of this dyno session* lol

-Kip

Very nice Kip...good luck!

Hey kip what time r u going to be at templtons friday.I need to run to salem friday and wouldnt mind
stopping by and meeting you and talking to bill in person?

PM sent Rebel

Rebel, what do you think about bringing your venom exhaust so i dont have to go to albany?

-Kip

kip where are those dyno runs at?? lets see em

I stoped by and seen kip while he was getting his bike dynod. He has some good info as far as the tps plug in and dyno runs with different pipes.

cool, i assume you hooked him up with venom exhaust?

Ya he ran his HMF, my VENNOM, and his friends ROSSIER. I think some people will be surprised at the results. I know I was.

where are they i'm really curious now

Give me some time guys.lol.

I will have them up ASAP

-Kip

i'm waiting gibson

Runs will be in next post.

First off i want to thank Rebel(DJ) for bringing by his pipe and letting me dynotest it and talk quads with him. He is a great guy and knows a lot about these bikes. Oh and my Buddy Dylan(Dylan250r) letting me dyno his rossier.

Ok, before anyone looks at my dyno runs, please read this post!

All dynoruns were done on a Dynomite Dyno by bill @ templeton motorsports. These numbers IMO are high. Although these numbers are high, and i will never claim that i have the HP bike shown in the dyno runs, it does show a good HP/TQ representation of pipe changes and other tweaks.

Speedbumps KBR 490 made 63Hp i was told by bill on this dyno.
I was also told a stock 05 bike made 38 HP on this dyno.
Bill told me this is the highest power output on a stockbore/Stroke bike he has ever dynoed, even compared to his own build with more aggresive cam and 14.5:1 compression.
I called around to local builders with Dynojet dynos, such as DTR and Cam @ redline, and was told that i bills numbers are high and i should expect 7 Hp less based upon my numbers.

His printer was not working, so i had to outline the runs in pen.

The posting of this was approved by racers edge at my own risk.

If any crap starts, i will have this thread deleted immediately.

Runs in a few.............

-Kip

Baseline Run: 180 Main, Needle bottom clip, HCVQ needle, 42 pilot and 1.5 Turns out, 35 leak.

HOLY CHIT 63???? : ) dam i guess i need alot more than a 480 to beat you.....unless you run into some whoops hehe

Needle 4th Clip, 200 Main, 35 Leak, 2 turns out on the A/F, 42 pilot.

Only change was unplugging TPS

Notice difference in curve

Rossier Pipe, same jetting

when u say 7hp higher is that on a stock quad? or modded if something is higher on one dyno then the next and they 7hp that isnt really accurate, i think it should be done in percentages, 7 hp on a 35 hp quad is 20% 7 hp on a 60 hp quad i s about 11.5 % does this make sense or completely wrong?

Rebels Venom Pipe

I did not want to say what i made in power in my original post, so i said 7 less. They told me that it would be tapping 60 or a little less on their dynojet dynos.

Look at that HMF

im just asking in general not necesarily reguarding ur runs, i was using urs as example,

Good Numbers!

Huge Thanks to Racers Edge Az for all their support and help, and great power.

Build Specs:
04-05 Bike

Racers Edge Head
+1 Ferrea Valves all around
KW dual rate springs
04-05 HRC cam
12.25:1 V/CP piston
43.5mm Racers Edge Bored FCR
HRC/HMF exhaust
ESR intake
Falicon Superstock Crank
Stockbore/Stockstroke

NICE!!!!

Dyno specs-

Hossier Tires, not sure on compound or size. They were 20s or less, maybe 18s

Runs in 5th Gear

Chain Was lubed prior to runs.

around 40-45 degrees i would say.

A/F meter was NOT used. We could not get it to work properly.

13/39 gearing

Plus 3 Swingarm/ X ring Primary drive chain.

-Kip

makes me like my hrc/hmf ehxaust even more!
great post.

thanks kip!

In conclusion,

HRC/HMF exhaust= Man was i suprised. This pipe works great on my setup.
Rossier= Now, something everyone should know, was that i put up the best run of each pipe, all the runs on the bike were when it was hot, with a infared heat gun, but the rossier Graph that i posted up, was when the motor was not warmed completely. on the fifth run with that pipe, it made a little over 60 HP and the TQ was right about 40. But i figured i would give it a fair chance and post BEST run. So there it is.

Rossier Pipe would make an awesome MX pipe, the power comes on a lot sooner, but does not carry the overrev nearly as well.

Venom= The exhaust in between. Thought the power would better, but it didnt work as well as others on my build. This pipe was extremely quiet and looked pretty good as well.

TPS vs no TPS= I guess that is solved, the curves tell no lie. It sure helped the bog to unplug it as well.

-Kip

One more thing, i thought 4 HP was pretty good to pick up in tuning? I was happy it is tuned in now.

-Kip

crap i need what you got now lol, maybe some n02 for an edge : )

i knew my hrc/hmf combo wrecked it!!

SAE makes more or STD.

This says standard so i would think the STD makes more right?

-Kip

I was really suprised to see the 1 hp gain by just unpluging the tps. If I wasnt standing right there watching it happen It would be hard to believe.Bills theory was that with the tps unpluged, the timing runs full advanced all the time therefore as u stab the throttle the motor is running at advanced timing already therefore no hesitation or bog problem. And I have to say it worked. Does anyone have any experience with problems after running the tps unpluged. Im thinking of going that route myself.

YQR says he runs his bike with no TPS.

I have seen a few others running no TPS.

I think this is with a YFZ carb. I dunno if it matters what carb.

-Kip

so no tps is better for ppl who use more top end or better all over the power band?
i'd like to have no hesitation for tree shots

Thats good info right there, I never thought of that. Mine is off a 07 trx so I probly should just leave it hooked up.

Doesnt hurt to try.

Give it a go and see if there is any difference on the butt dyno.

Let me know

-Kip