Well,getting things started up here on the newest build and wanted to ask everyones expected out put she will be running on gas !!!!

77hp 56 tq & 30 minutes

Not too sound rude or ignorant, but

if that thing don't lay down atleast 70/50 I myself think it would be a waist...

anything over that you'd be riding the gravy train..lol

Not too sound rude or ignorant, but

if its like the last one, we will keep guessing for years to come and it will never get finished

Sounds like the type of bike that seizes as your breaking it in LOL

adding the whole 30 minutes is hilarious... I can not stop laughing at that one...
figured that I had better add that by laughing I ment nothing bad about you guys building.. I just think it is funny in general... so if you took it wrong I want to apologize up front.

John, how's the 300x doing? Oh, BTW, did you ever get a dyno read out on the 600? Still waiting...................... If this build transpires, I say 74-78 hp and around 50ft lbs. torque.
Just out of curiosity, how far along is the build?


Bulldog

66/46

My last project I did finish ! As most know custom componants take longer then of the shelf stuff so stay tuned !!! Waiting on the piston and a few things for the crank ! Thanks for the comment .I guesss I should build a 501 or something that way I can have it done in a record time ! I might just attempt a stock bore ,stock stroke build maybe this winter ? Thanks again for all the interest J&J !!!!!

John-

Please dont take this the wrong way: I admire your desire to push the envelope on engine building but I have a few questions for you. Why would you continue to invest money in one off combos when you can make 70+ with a 545cc motor with a shelf 208 cam. Why not beat up a 545-550 combo until you reach that elusive 70/50 mark? With the money that you spend on new "innovative" motors/combos that same money could be spent perfecting a combo thats been proven to work. I would think something that big would fight itself more than being productive.

Not looking to start a war, would just like to see where you coming from if I may.

Does the 604 combo even make anymore than some of your smaller builds? I would love to see this thing make 70+ and 50+ on gas but how much money and time will it take you to get that?

70/50 all day and all night long!

can we ever get some pics of what your ever talking about

501 seem to not be a very good number either

Morgon, the elusive 70/50 mark, it must be VERY elusive, because I have never seen that mark on a naturally aspirated 544 motor......Have you?
Just curious,
Bulldog

Umm......I must be missing something..... and im sure someone will point it out to me....

since I dont really know who J&J is.........all I know is this...














the Dyno graphs/runs never appear.......


Thats ok by me......I have never posted any and probably never will....... but then again, I dont come on here saying that I will either....




J&J.......I only have ONE question for ya.......WILL (not when)...but WILL you ever build this engine, put her on a dyno, and whether you show us the graphs or not.... at least TELL us how she did?



again...just curious........cuzz I think there is STILL an on-going thread about J&J's last supposed build and dyno run......

whats up wit dat?

Well it seems to me I saw a 500cc all bore '04 TRX that Morgan did that made 64/40. And that was all bore. Maybe that was all the bells and whistles, maybe there's more in there.
But I do know with a few more cc's and the added torque of a stroker crank.........................
I don't know that it's impossible.

What say YOU Morgan?

I've seen one bike that makes 70/50 and its one of racerz edges bikes..graph and the bike itself, and im pretty sure it was 540 or 544cs...

J&J is like Forest Gump Chocolate...


You never know what you gonna get..............





But if you get a edge on him he will JUMP on you and thats a known and well documented FACT!

im not real sure if you know this or not but Morgan IS Racerz edge.lol

This is exactly what I was thinking!

My guess is.....

00/00

Good luck.

Do we have a ime estimate here, or are we a month or 2 away?

Yeah I know morgan is part of racerz edge. I've been there once.lol and the bike I was talking about was bretts the porter at the shop...monster bike, actually im not sure if he even still has it I know it was for sale at one point..


nonetheless monster power out of that bike..

Damn you guys are negative.....

At least he puts fourth the effort to build things that no one else does.

I hate doing this BUT..... I kinda agree with Morgan........ god that didnt feel right.....

I think John should go after some power on an engine a little smaller. Stick all the custom stuff you want in there but on a little smaller of a foundation. A 540-570cc....which really isnt by any means a small engine.

It would just be a more acheivable goal. Still, goodluck with the build John.

71/51

70/50 is VERY attainable. Like I said, beat up a combo for a few months and see where you get. Bret and I beat up his black bike (544) like no other, and we eventually got there, and farther actually. NA on Alcohol. Lots of time involved making sure everything is where it needs to be, several heads, etc etc. You CAN get there. Anyone can. Hell, Ive got an 06 stockbore that lays down high 60s. All it takes is time and more time to do it right.

A fellow out of NM bought the black bike a month or so back, had to have it, and Bret wanted to move onto a different project. So now he has a Puma 250R.

I know you not trying to start a conflict with this ! I build these builds for fun and like to acheive alot of torque early ! Yes I believe I can get a stock bore motor to put out around 65 hp but thats at peak rpm!! The big engines make more power sooner in the rpm range as well as some more peak along with great torque!!! I will work on a small displacement engine soon to compare with other similar builds !!!! What size would anyone suggest I try? 450 stock bore?480,501,511,525,530,544,550 or What? After this build I am up for any suggestions ! John!!!!

Again..................

Any idea how long it will be before you post the numbers??????????

Or are you still waiting on the crank/valves/springs/cam?

Somewhere between 480 and 520 seems to be real popular.


Good luck with your build John!

j&j i dont think anyone has any problems with you pushing the size limits with these motors. the problem people have is that you start threads wanting guesses on power a year before the build will be done, as the case with the 12mill.

the way i took what morgan said (sence the topic here is power output) was why not get some real good power out of a smaller 5?? motor that will last, rather then look for huge numbers that last 5 minutes.

sorry, im not going to play your guessing game, im to old to wait a year to find out the answer.

i do think drag530r guess of 77, 56 and 30 minutes is funny as hell

I have one of morgan's 500's . It's a all bore and it runs like no tomorrow, i can't wait to get a crank and a piston for alky and see what this bad boy does with that.

Show us what you got John.........I've seen your bikes run, and thats with your big ass on them! Very impressive!
Ron

Stockbore and Stroke.

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Well the guess of 77hp and 56 is the power i do think it will make..The 30 minutes was I know how it can be with these motors.

But Knowpig why you beating him up when you have to have all the custom parts made and try different combos and what makes power this takes time and allot of tuning to get it right.Some times they just don't work out and guess what money spent and back to the drawing board.I give john all the credit in the world for trying to keep up with the big DS and Raptor motors. I saw keep on trying to find the right combo that works so we can still represent with our Honda's

Why am I beating him up?
Huh?

Well, this thread is a couple weeks old, so I went back and re-read my posts.
I didn't think I was too terribly hard on the guy. My ONLY point being...............J&J makes a post like this and WEEKS AND WEEKS will go by before we see a graph (if ever).
I can fully appreciate what the man is doing. I think it's awesome.
But if you're going to post a "what will it do" then it needs to "do".

It seems like we have a case of...................pre-mature speculation.


Now that's funny chit!

I agree with you Big Jim! More power to the guy. He is going over the top here and its not all that easy to make this crazy of a setup work.

I think people get on him because he starts these thread way to darn soon. He gets everyone amped up and as you know it takes while for it to pan out.

Anyhow, I hope the old boy is doing well and gets it up and going and shares his experience with us. He's pretty good at shurgging off the na sayers....lol

i just hope he does build and complete a 640 one of these days.
it be very interesting to watch.

I believe I started this thread fully stating that this was a fresh build ! I am also a Harley guy so Reno and other events have slowed this build ,but mainly the custom parts and since I have no control on custom machined parts,I must wait,I can however give everyone an up date on the project! Looking to have this engine on the dyno first week in October!!!! Stayed tuned and I appreciate all the interest! Thanks John J&J !!! JUST IN TIME FOR RACING ON THANKSGIVING!!!!

Good to hear I hope all goes well. Jim AKA TURBO-530RRRRR

reno?? what did i miss?? i thought the big run is the 19th -21st this mounth

Bring it to the FSA race in Dumont November 8th and run with the fastest drag bikes the industry has to offer.

Hawk we will be in Vegas the 19th -21st Palms Casino Kid Rock, 23-27th Reno Street Vibes Biker run!!

Tom,that might happen I think Scott will let me put the motor in there chasie and they have a great light rider as you have come to have known in the past ,he always ran against your sons! Hope all is well John!!!

How has the turbo been doing? They have come a long way since Kelly first started putting these things on these motors ,I think between me and him he has all the bugs worked out by now! Anyway thanks for the complement !

for some reason i was thinking street vibs was the weekend of the 19th, glad you said something. thanks.

No problem !!!!!!

Any progress yet?

Here is the progress CP is making me a few custom pistons,cylinder head is getting welded up and cooling jackets pushed out ,and my good fellas at Kibble White are getting ready to start on some new custom exhaust valves I need so ,Hopefully before the end of the year? LOL!!! What a progress,wait,wait and wait,just to find another hold up !!! The end result will be worth it!!! Till next time John J&J !!! Thanks for all the interest!!!!

what kind of power will this set-up make? I'm looking for a builder to do a bike for FSA series. Have you won any of these events? i'm looking for someone with a 'proven" track record