it says use pro honda hp trans oil for the trx450r trans and im just mkaing sure its this stuff http://powersports.honda.com/the_goods/par...W&TheGoodsDir=0

Yes, that is the right stuff for your transmission.

I used honda transmission oil i think its the same but it came in a diff bottle

thats the stuff I use...awesome stuff so far :mellow: :mellow:

I'm using Amsoil in the crankcase and the transmission. One oil to do both sides. Seems to work so far. :mellow:

thats the stuff I use....You will see some people using motor oi in both sides. thats not bad, but here is the issue... Transmission oil has different properties than motor oil ...thats part of the reason why Honda designed it this way...to keep clutch particles out of your piston, and to allow you to use tranny oil in the crankcase. Now why would someone use motor oil in their tranny I have no idea. It wont hurt it, but motor oil does not have the same properties that the tranny oil has...thats why there is tranny oil to begin with....so im not going to argue with anyone about this, but just use common since...there is tranny oil for a reason....it is way better on your clutch and tranny then motor oil. Plus you clutch wont want to slip as bad with tranny oil as it would with motor oil...becasue of the different properties.....think about it.

On that note i find that useing the Honda GN4 oil in the tranny side the trans shifts a lot easier..... with the Honda Tranny oil it was a little difficult at times to shift.... now with the GN4 in the tranny side you can just touch the shifter and it shifts..... im not worried about clutch slipage any way cause i hardly use it but on starts and at check points... or if there is a tight turn and i have to rev the engine up to break the rear loose.....

I use the tranny stuff from honda like in that picture & my 450r shifts really easy

Properties?... :huh:
Do you mean like Boardwalk and Parkplace :D :lol: j/k

they are the two that make the color red....

Well Lude, based on what you are saying, I'm going to switch to a trans oil the next time I change it. I'll see if it makes a difference in shifting on my machine. Thanks for the insight.

I used the same oil for my tranny that I do for my engine. Vavaline 10-40 for ATV use! :D

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What's up Lude. You think that's kinda of wierd. The manual says you can use the same oil!

well its none of my business what you use, My problem with that is not that you use it for the tranny, its that you use Valvoline....I personally dont like valvoline.... but thats just my opinion....I know around here its about the cheapest name brand oil you can buy.....Do they make oil stricly for ATV use?......cause you shouldnt be using auto oil in your atv...specially on the tranny side....

what proof do u have of this?

I said it was just my opinion, no proof. Actually after I posted that I did a google search on that oil and I did not realize Valvoline actually made a oil just for ATV's. It looks like the put quite a bit of R&D in it too. ...I kind of judge things by what they cost because im a electronics person, and in electronics you get what you pay for...If you pay more for it, 9 times out of 10 its better then the cheaper ones. Valvoline is just a cheaper oil around here, and I was just raised with everyone telling me that valvoline sucks....thats the only reason. I have no documented proof that Vavoline is bad.....I do know there are way worse out there. But I like to use the best I can, and Vavoline is simply not it. Im judging this on thier car oil....I have never heard anything good, or bad about thier atv oil.

i use car oil in my engine side but not the tranny side

the only reason your not supposed to use car oil is because it will make the clutch slip....but in your case there is no clutch. The only other thing I would be concerned about is atv oil is a high performance oil for high RPM engines....the oil dont break down as easy. .....I dont think it would ever cause you a problem though. as long as you change your oil often.

In my opinon it really doesnt matter what kind of oil you use if you change your oil alot.....but I still like the expensive stuff I guess.

im using mobile 1 red cap synthetic & this stuff doesnt break down as fast as that honda GN4 crapola...

Hey guys, my local Honda mechanic told me that the oil in the engine and trans are mixed because they are pumped from one side to the other. I was just wondering if he knew what he was talking about.

thats one crazy a$$ mechanic. They dont mix. Thats the craziest thing I ever heard. That defeats the whole purpose of why they did that in the first place... -_-

I thought that you can use the same oil on both sides if you wanted? :huh:

you can just as long as the oil you are using is not a synthetic or energy conserving oil because they will make your clutch slip.

Thanks for the info Lukester!! :D

Because of Dersert450r, I changed to Motul 10-40W!! B)
But, Vavoline does make a ATV oil now strickly for ATV use!!!
Castrol too!!! :ph34r:

Hey Desert 450R...I took your recommendation a while back and am using Chevron DELO 400(in engine and tranny)....I see you talking about 2 different oils in your bike now....1 for the engine and a seperate for the tranny. Just wondering if you have changed from using DELO 400 in both sides????

BTW...My clutch works perfectly and never slips. I can shift effortlessly now.

Ever since I change to Motul. My tranny has not slipped either. Thanks, Desert!! :D

i use Bel-Ray 80W tranny saver transmission fluid

I use the honda 10-40 hp4 with moly on the engine side and without moly on the clutch side. I am gonna due some research and probly change this due to all of your comments. I changed my filter every time for the first dozen times now I do every other. Thanks guys this site provides alot of good info.

If you read the 80-85w trans oil bottle it says for two stroke only. why does it say in the owners manual to use the GN4 oil in the trans and in the engine oil.

They are just trying to keep someone that doesn't know better from putting it in something like a 400ex. This about it, a 2-stroke has the oil mixed with the gas, but you still something in the tranny - ie "2 stroke" tranny oil...

Anbody worried about this stuff being two thick for winter? I was in WV a couple of weeks ago and my R was sitting out all night and it was probably high 20's in the morning and for a couple of minutes I couldn't get it out of first - shifting up felt just like trying to down shift in first - nothing there. I think it could have been from the oil being so thick in the tranny from the cold. I was with 4 other R's, but not sure what they were running. I was the only one that had the problem and once it ran for a couple of minutes in first, I was able to get into second and it was fine the rest of the day..

That is a old label,when 4 strokes used the same oil in the eng & trans.Now with the CRF450 & 450R using 2 seperate oil sumps we can now use the good stuff
(HP trans oil) in the trans side. :D Thats what I use & the trans shifts buttery smooth.The owners manual is correct you can use GN4 or HP trans oil.

That's a bunch of bull! And that guys a Honda mechanic.
Ask him why the red oil comes outta the trans drain hole and the amber oil comes outta the crankcase drain hole. If they were mixing they'd both be the same color.

Bob

This is exactly how I understand it, you can use the GN4 in both sides per the owners manual, and by the way I beat the heck out of my bike and my clutch never slips due to using GN4.

i'm using bel ray gearsaver80w............. works great

Lol, you already said that about 5 post's up.

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hey any of you hear about the maxima extra 10-40...my local shop was telling me this was the best stuff out right now..and to use it on both sides..

what do you guys think about it..

mike

I use Rotella T 15w-40. Its synthetic, but it has no moly(friction modifier) so the clutch wont slip. This stuff works great and it doesnt cost a whole lot either.

Alright, im lost here, so somebody help me! Isnt there a big difference from going from a 10-40W oil to a 80-85W? I just cant see how a transmission can take such high and low vilocity. So somebody explain me this concept, is there a diferent rating for tranny oil? PLEASE HELP!

...UFO

Anyone, please? I now some of you have alot more knowledge and experience in this kind of stuff than i do

...UFO

UFO, I use 10/40 synthetic in the engine and the trans and love it. Thick oils in my opinion rob HP other than that I cant really answer your question :( . Maybe hit up Dez he is the "Oil Master" on here

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Thanx 8, i might pm him, cuz he doesnt seem to be in the Maintenance section too often

...UFO

Rottella synthtic motor side/Honda HP trans oil tranny side works sweet .

SAE Gear and SAE Engine oils are rated differently. Here's a chart: http://dogsdoom.com/PI/oil-thickness-chart.jpg

The engine/tranny oils you guys are talking about have approximately the same viscosity.

That's good to hear that..I like the concept of this...



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