A buddy of mine has an '06 YFZ that he bought a Rossier pipe for. We were riding it yesterday at our XC practice track. That thing is STUPID loud! I can't even ride it without ear plugs.

I realize that you need to have good flow to get good power, but this was ridiculous. I have other quads with quieter pipes, and they both spank that YFZ and they do it without giving me a headache.

I am the ATV Harescramble rep for District 23. We have to pass strict sound testing to be able to race up here. I didn't bring the sound testing equipment with, but I'm guessing that the YFZ pipe was blowing about 110 dbs! 110db's is too loud! Not only is it too loud to race with up here, but it is just too loud in general for riding anywhere that is populated.

I realize that you are only one exhaust company and you need to keep up with your competition, but your loud pipe isn't helping us off roaders maintain our riding areas.

STUPID LOUD SUCKS!

is the pipe new ? need packed ? not enough info.

are you saying every rossier pipe is 110 ?

mine hasnt been checked but its not as loud as a few others I ride with.

Mine's not that loud either!

i rode with a guy that has a brand new one and it isnt as loud as a HMF...

Aren't they only 105db with just the turn down tip, and you can can take it down to like 96 or 98 with a supertrapp setup. That's what I run, no complaints here.

This isn't a problem with Rossier pipes in particular. This is a problem with most aftermarket pipes on 4 strokes now. They are just too loud. These loud pipes are making people hate atv's, period. Many of us are working hard to try and keep our riding areas open. People that don't ride atv's hate noise. Those people are the majority - us atver's are the minority. In this country, the majority rules. That means that eventually we don't have anywhere to ride if people don't find a way to quiet this chit down. Everybody can pizz and moan about how loud their neighbors Harley is, but it doesn't help us as a group. Finding a way to make quiet power is the only thing that will help. If people don't know that you are riding, they aren't going to complain about you. A 4 stroke atv that is blowing 110 db's can be heard for MILES...

I think that he will try the Supertrapp end cap set up on the YFZ.

i totally agree. why aren't race companies trying to figure out quiet power?

I dont wanna get too involved in this post but IMO, most of the aftermarket pipe companies make "race" pipes. alot of the people that run these types of pipes in quiet places such as a forest or something are the ones that either dont care or are unaware of the situation. but I'm pretty sure that these companies that make these "loud" pipes do it for performance and for places without db regulations.

I dont exactly know your definition of populated but if an area is populated IMO, there's already tons of noise. like cars, construction, things of that sort.

there are TONS of aftermarket pipes that run low dbs and produce a nice amount of power, its just the fact that people are using the louder ones. maybe if the db rules were enforced more people wouldn't use these louder pipes. alot of companies wont change their product because of one particular situation due to the fact that money loss plays a factor.

I myself am not a big fan of the quiet pipes, but if time comes that people here do start complaining, I will just throw my stock stuff back on and do what I can. the stock stuff is REALLY quiet and isn't too bad on power either.

your upset about the loud pipes but it was you on your friends yfz with ear plugs practicing...................the complaints that day are on you my friend

HUH? I was helping him dial in his suspension.

We were riding on a practice track that is on private land. This practice track has been used for years. This track is out in the middle of nowhere, but the neighbors still complained about the one loud quad. It was the quad with the shiny new Rossier pipe.

This wasn't a group of dumb kids riding. This was a group of the fastest xc quad racers in MN practicing where we have always practiced. We are all over 30 years old, and we all try to be respectful of the people around us.

Now I talked to a buddy this morning and it sounds like we can no longer ride at the practice track.

THANKS!!

I have a brand new Rossier with a Supertrapp. It's only a little louder than a stock set-up, just a lot throatier. If people are really concerned about the noise, then use a Supertrapp and give up the little bit of horsepower. It's us, the riders that have to make that decision and sacrifice so people don't complain about noise. Joe makes a great pipe, if you don't have an issue with noise, then use a turn down set-up or even open end, he gave us the option for maximum performance. If noise is an issue, then use a Supertrapp. It's not his fault your friend didn't use a Supertrapp, he offers one.

You are right in that my buddy should have bought the Supertrapp and used it. Guys like Joe and all of the other pipe makers need to step up and make this stuff quieter though PERIOD (not an optional thing). If we (off road riders and aftermarket companies) don't do this ourselves, the local government will. They will make us quiet by not letting us ride. Just like our practice track...

There is no longer any real closed course racing as far as sound goes. These loud 4 strokes - the noise travels so far that there isn't enough land anywhere to race without ticking people off.

This will affect all of us sooner or later and it really pizzes me off!

im sure the main problem is all the neighbors like honda we can clearly see the problem, its a yamaha, hah, i think the place to issue the problem is on a yamaha site to see if they have the same problem, and a supertrapp adds alittle hp to ur topend so ur not killing ur power by adding it,and if its private land did the owner say its a no go at the track, maybe the owner dont like ur friend who knows, i have the 1 arsehole in my neighborhood who thinks everything is to loud, we had a local track shut down because the rich people in a near by neighborhood cried because it was to loud, thats was bikes and quads both 2 stroke and 4 stroke, the world is waisting away to whiney bizniggle$ and it sucks and for now ill keep my rossier

Maybe u should contact all of the other pipe makers too. My Yosh I used to use was loud......contact Dasa and LRD....I am 30 myself, and I'll have to say that 3 or 4 quads w/ pipes are louder than 1 rossier. Here in Michigan we have noise ordinances, but silver lake dunes and the mounds here close to me is a place they will never shut down. There is too much $ going thru these places that are ran by the government.......... and I guess to add if you were that considerate like you said you were you would have had the super trapp on the end or the pipe packed with steel wool???

In my opinion joe with rossier is doing more on the noise issue than others. As previously mentioned the supertrapp endcap quiets them down. Just as evidense of this.... As is all over the web, joe is working on a new pipe for the 04/05 honda models. I was told he had a pipe that made great power at 105 decibels just at 99 it lost like 3hp. Instead of just selling that pipe that made great power on the loud side, he started over and is working on another option now. He wants it quiet and make good power. As previously stated alot of companies offer some sort of quiet core or supertrapp system to quiet their pipes. If something like that is available for the pipe and you choose not to use it, then it's the quad owner fault if it's too loud.

Guys.... We TRY to be considerate. We are also racers. My buddy left his pipe loud because he wanted max power for the Iowa race next weekend. Most racers will sacrifice whatever they have to sacrifice to get max power. I have no control over other people as far as them adding the Supertrapp end cap. I did complain about how loud his pipe was, and he agreed. He himself was mad at how loud it was and wants to change it. This was a new build. He didn't do any testing before going to ride this quad.

I should complain to all other pipe manufacturers. It just so happens that this pipe was a Rossier and I frequent this forum. So Joe gets the chitty end of this stick. I'm sure that he can take it.

Many people just don't understand how big of a problem loud pipes on 4 strokes has become. I spend a fair amount of my own time (after work) trying to find and talk land owners into allowing us to hold races on their land. Many of them tell me that the quads are just too loud to let them race. They don't want all of their neighbors to hate them. Many of us volunteer to try to help our sport. The people that are running around with super loud pipes on quads are wrecking it for us. Why waste my frickin time? Bunch of bone heads...

Bunch of bone heads...

Are you kidding me. You have no clue! You post a bash on a question fourm you are the bone head. What should be the first quetion when buying a new exhaust? HOW LOAD IS IT! Any customer in there right mind would ask there sales person. Load pipe are on there way out, AMA, WORCS and more all have rules to be below 99 dbs. What exhaust out there does not have some type of quiet core. You think people want to lose there right to ride, I do not think so. We live and ride on the Oregon Coast where the noise is a very big deal. I ride a Rossier exhaust with ST endcap and last season it blew a 97 db's. That is the lowest I have tested in many years. If there is any body that is working hard on noise it is Joe. If you guy's lost the right to ride on your pratice track it is your oun fault. You should have loaded that bike back up and tested another day.

I know that you are trying to make a point on load pipes but you choise the wrong place to make your comments.

I have a suggestion for you. Open mouth and insert foot. Duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jeff

I don't want to stick my foot in my mouth because I spilled a bunch of hydraulic oil on my boots today.

I hope that Joe is working on quieting things down. I hear that adding the supertrapp end cap tends to make the pipe fall apart, (when ridden hard) of course. Too much back pressure...

I wouldn't post on here without doing some home work Bone head. And 97 db's is too loud for the Oregon coast. Anything louder than 92-94 db's at Coos Bay will keep making your riding area smaller and smaller... You will see.

I have to add that this isn't just a problem with Rossier pipes. This is a problem with 95% of the aftermarket pipes out there.

why are you on here calling people bone head? If you dont like joes pipes cuz their too loud then dont buy them...use your stocker. If people cant ride at coos bay cuz theyve got an re.......... than thats their prob.


I wanted to add...poor Joe has to get on here and wade thru all this s h i t. A simple question like asking if he planned on quieting them down would have been a better approach.

I shouldn't have called anybody a bonehead. I apologize for that.

I love riding & racing quads. My wife and I make a few dune trips each year. Sometimes it's Winchester, sometimes Pismo, sometimes Dumont, St. A's, etc.. We also camp and ride in the state forests here in Minnesota. I hate losing riding ares and seeing others lose riding areas. As you people can tell, the loud pipes tick me off.

Just asking a pipe manufacturer when they will quiet down their pipe isn't enough to me. That is like asking a minor question about a MAJOR problem.

We have a big problem here folks! This seems to be what happens...

You make a 4 stroke breath freely and it helps the power. It also becomes too loud for the general population that we all live with. You then put in a quiet core device. This quiets the pipe down some, but the extra back pressure (and heat) created by this restriction causes the pipe to literally fall apart. Maybe this isn't a problem for trail riders that aren't holding their quads wide open for long periods of time, but for any type of atv racing, it is a major problem. People get upset when you make them quiet down their expensive pipe, and then it falls apart.

I'm only trying to help us as quad riders. I wish that I knew of a solution, but I don't. We need people like Joe to find that solution for us.

before the loud 4 stroke pipes it was the 2 strokes messing up the ozone, before that they made us stop making 3 wheelers because they are dangerous.

IF they stopped making pipes over 95 db today there would be another gripe to contend with.

where I ride in kansas there are not any restrictions at all so why should I suffer power loss for some tree hugger on the coast ?

the only complaints around here are land erosion on creek crossings and disturbing wild life.

you will never please everyone,

I dont go out of my way to piss off the people next door but if they dont like me riding on my land they can hug a nut.
(actually if they got real mad and moved I could buy thier land and expand)

what pipe do you run DanW ???????

I've raced a Z400 with an FMF Q pipe, An '05 450R with the stock pipe and HRC end cap, an '06 450R with the stock pipe and HRC end cap. All of these quads blew under 96 db's and I've won races on all 3 quads.

I've tried some other pipes, but the sound just wasn't worth the power gain.

I LIKE THE WAY YOU THINK!!!!!!

well if u race then u should have a sponser for exhaust, then when it falls apart because u want to keep the noise down u call ur sponser and say hey i need a new can for my exhaust, but theres the ultimate "i dont have sponsers", well work harder for one or suck it up and buy a new exhaust after one falls apart, now i know its not falling apart in acouple months but over time, and with proper planning u can cut back on one thing or another and save so by the time ur exhaust is crapped out u have the money, its called planning ahead,

why dont we get on a real concern something that affects america more then loud exhaust???

lets talk about pressing 1 for english!!!!!

I totally understand your attitude on this sound issue. We all used to have the same attitude up here in Minnesota. It didn't pan out so well for us. Maybe you guys will have better luck...

Just remember - none of us really "own" our land because of the fact that the majority rules. I wish that I could do whatever I'd like with my land, but that just isn't the case.

After we are done discussing that, we can talk about slow drivers in the left hand lane... Grrrr...

what is the db level on a regular rossi anyway??

the average is 104 at 3,750....

maybe, people should think about hte idea of... hey, this is a race pipe... and maybe buy a QC from HMF or somthing... you can't expect a quiet pipe from a race performance exhaust... not happenen.....

WRONG .... I have all the "OLD STYLE" 04-05 pipes on my 3 quads and they all have the Supper Trapp system on them and they perform the SAME and BETTER on top end than an open end cap and they are about 99ish dB ....

The system i run is Right on the RAGGED Edge of passing AMA sound testing at GNCCs... Now if they did the sound testing RIGHT it would pass easily...

Everyone on my team runs the Rossier Pipe and i am the only one to run the Super Trapp system and i am the only one that CAN Pass the Test.... In North Carolina at the STEELE CREEK GNCC my Team mates in other classes got tested and they both have 2 race old pipes and hit in the neighborhood of 106 - 108 dB with the open endcap .... That is insane and totally incorrect ... that is why i mentioned the TESTING CORRECTLY ...

And HMF Quiet Core didnt Pass the GNCC Sound Testing... It hit 100dB .... Tell me something isnt wrong with that ....

With the Super Trapp system on the ROSSIERs you loose VERY LITTLE Power (talking tenths) and gain a little on top end .... So that is a Quiet(er) Pipe with same power ....