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Planet Sand Announcement

Extract from planet sand:

4 Stroke Challenge Race Series

We, along with Planet Sand, are pleased to announce the introduction of a new racing venue named 4 Stroke Challenge Series (4SCS). 4SCS was birthed from a group of avid hill racing enthusiasts with the goal of expanding 4 stroke racing events. Countless hours have gone into developing this racing series with recognized industry leaders, recognized racing leaders/champions, and supporting industry leaders.

The Challenge Series will include five races during the 2007 season. Race #1 of the series will be Four Stroke Wars VI during Martin Luther King weekend. Race #2 – Dumont Challenge will be held on the weekend of February 24, 2007. Race #3 – is in progress and will be announced in the next two to three weeks – reserve the weekend of Apirl 21st. Race #4 – Pismo Challenge will be held in June. Race #5 will be held during late summer/early fall location and dates will be available soon.

The 4SCS races are designed around the philosophy of establishing a level competitive racing venue. All of our races will be held at locations that allow us to run official sanctioned events that are organized, efficient, and fun.

Challenge series offers racers the ability to compete at a site specific race level as well as an overall champion level. The King of the Challenge will truly be recognized as the world’s champion demonstrating consistency winning over multiple races.

We are proud to be apart of the Planet Sand Drag Race Association and be supported by Planet Sand. Please look for updates and discussion topics on www.Planetsand.com under section 4 Stroke Challenge Series.

another extract:

4 Stroke Challenge Series Awards System

The challenge series awards system will be comprised of 2 different award levels. At the individual race level, achievement will be recognized for the first and second place finishers in each race, along with a King of the event. The King of the Event award will be a final race of the top 2 finishers from each of the racing categories. Individual race payouts will be a function of participants in each race category. Specifics will be announced with each race detail announcement.

The second level of recognition will be for the series winners. Series winners will be recognized in all core classes. Points will be awarded on a graduated basis and accumulated. The lowest score will be dropped and largest combined score will designate the series winners. Details of awards and methodologies will follow soon.

And Race Number 1:
4 Stroke Challenge Race – Four Stroke Wars VI

We, along with Planet Sand and Mark Tozer, are pleased to announce the first race in the 4 Stroke Series 2007. Welcome to Four Stroke Wars VI. The race formats and classes leverage the efforts and build on the previous Four Stroke War events.

Due to the registration process at the Imperial Sand Dunes it is not possible to run an event for January 2007. The 2007 MLK 4 Stroke Wars race will be held this year at Dumont Dunes. As we prepare to run the first ever Official 4 Stroke Wars race, the opening race of the 4 Stroke Challenge series, we are optimistic and actively working to secure 2008 back at the home track that built the 4 Stroke Wars heritage in Glamis. We have secured the insurance binder for 2008 and filed for the 180 day waiting period to secure a use permit.

We are proud to be apart of the Planet Sand Drag Race Association and be supported by Planet Sand. Please look for updates and discussion topics on www.Planetsand.com under section 4 Stroke Challenge Series.

Pre registration is highly recommended as this event to secure your position. The racing format is designed to maximize the racers experience and will allow multiple attempts to transfer into Semi and Final event status. Finals will be run on a best two out of three finish.

Race Categories are as follows:
• Duner Class – two racing groups will be identified here. OEM Quad’s originally equipped as 400 and 450cc machines will be one group. The other group will be all OEM Quad’s originally equipped as 500cc or higher. This class will be regulated with weight rules and is a gas only class. More details to follow.
• Women’s Class – one class for women only. Any OEM framed quad but must be running on gas.
• Sumo Class – one class for riders over XXX lbs.
• Stock bore classes – OEM Quad’s originally equipped under 650cc class will be one class, over 650cc’s will be the other.
• Modified Class – these are modified motors running on gas alone – two classes over 650 and under 650
• Fuel Class – any fuel no power adders (Turbo’s/NO2) – two classes over 650 and under 650
• Power Adder Class – two classes over 650 and under 650
• Unlimited Class – any 4 stroke
• Notes – all classes must use OEM frames except the unlimited class. Racers are allowed to move up in class with event fee only.

Race Fee’s:
Pre register Race Day
Registration Fee $55 $60
Per Event $25 $30

4 Stroke Challenge Productions
PO Box xxxxx
XXXXXXXX

Certified scales will be made available 1 hr prior to races.

Wow, things are stepping up and getting more "official" now! Should be great for participants and spectators alike if done well.

Race 1 - Dumont (Relocated back to Glamis 2008)

Race 2 - Dumont

Race 3 - ??

Race 4 - Pismo

Race 5 - ??

Sand Mountain or Little Sahara UT on the candidates list? No traveling further east to Oklahoma??

with permits and the races being allowed will they be using a starting tree?


looks like dumont will be a busy place with races 1 & 3 and banshee wars between them.

After going over the rules a little more, this struck me as odd.....


If I'm reading this correct, it does not matter if the ATV frame has the matching ATV motor in it. A TRX frame could have a CFR motor, or a TRX frame with a 520KTM?

great news jeff! i had been waiting for the cat to finally get out of the bag.

i really like the weight rule!

320lbs = weight of bike+rider weight. that's awesome.

let me know if you guys need any help with anything. i'd love to join the fun besides racing.

whats good about a 320# quad and rider weight? there might as well be no weight rule cause no one can get to 320.

quad = light weight full bore money pit could weigh 225 (and i dont know of any that light)

rider = 95# ???

i thought the weight rule was so most poeple (adults) could have the chance to race there own quads. and the kids (teenagers) could have a chance to race their quads without having to spend 20 grand to get them light.

i would think 450-460 quad / rider combo would be better. 300# quad and a 160# rider

just my thoughts, but if i got down to 185# i would be skin and bones then i would have to get my quad to around 135#

or did i just go on a rant and bako ment to say 420#

the 320# rule is only for the DUNER class......thats how they are determining that it is in fact a duner....IE they figure you'll be about 30 pounds lighter than stock with sand tires and aftermarket pipe etc.

its bike only weight not combined

No, he didn't mean 420.

But yes, you just went on a rant

320# is just the weight of the bike. Bako meant 320# bike weight, then plus the rider weight.

Unless I missed some details someplace, I could still see "duner" bikes with +6" swingers and no front brakes fitting into this category.

that would make me real happy,besides NV has the best drag hill in the country in alot of peoples opinions........especially mine

320 for the dune bike is a good weight.

but for a drag bike it would totally suck.

i think its possible to get to 320 bike and rider.

200 lbs drag bike + 120 lbs. rider = 320

my bike is getting closer and closer to 200 lbs.

they have established 16 and older riders only.

The 320 is bike only for a dune bike, and that relates only to 450 class machines.
Basically if we can permit a race in Sand Mountain NV, we can race there in the future, same with Sand Mountain UT.
We are actively working on this as we speak.

Thats awesome Kam!!!!!!!!!!

The engine that came in the frame is a must.
Ie......TRX450R frame needs a 450R engine.

Just reading the letter of the rules kinda made it look open to interpretation to me. That's cool though that it's oem frame with oem motor, the way it should be.

I wish the venues weren't a 1500 mile minimum drive for me. I am geographically challenged

well looks like i have all of my trips planned out for the year of 2007. mark your calenders and make your reservations.

sand mt. nevada is kinda funny you cant have organized racing but there is/was a whore house 5 minutes down the road. (house is there just not open)

sorry for the rant over the weight. i rember about 11/2 years ago jjk was trying to get the FSWs people to do a min weight for quad and rider.

i guess ill go read the rules now

I can't tell you guys home much deliberation went into this. We started by establishing what you had to have.................then moved to what you couldn't have.....................then decided the best way is to control things with weight. If a guy wants a long swinger, shaws, big motor, and fill the frame with lead - rock on. The fact of the matter is there are to many combinations.

If this idea does not work we will consider a qualification run - i..e. closed course circuit, couple of jumps, lots of turns under a certain time. Make the time you race......

Or make everyone run dirt tires...............

The idea here is Duner - we are going to take discretion on what a duner is. The race director will make the final call.

hats off to all the guys behind the scenes putting this together, im in for dumont in feb and pismo of course, prob as a spectator or should i get my new project underway?

anybody got a trx450 frame and subframe laying around?

i think its a great idea!

its obvious to me that alot of time and thought went into this and i for one am real excited to see this come together.

what did I miss. Why is FSW's not in glamis this year?

no permit to run a organized race. it will back at glamis next year.

that blows.
I guess I better pack up my chit and head to dumont then.

We really tried hard to get into Glamis this year. We too are bummed that the race had to be moved this year. We look forward to the return next year to Glamis.

The bar for racing standards has been raised................... 4SC standards are going to deliver races that you all want to run and will be proud to participate in. The only way we can do this is with legitimate use permits. So, unfortunately, the only way we could run this race on MLK was to do it at Dumont.

i used to do tech inspections for an atv drag race group in mid michigan....

and the worst offenders were the classes closer to stock..... i prided myself on sending more cheaters than anyone else to their appropriate class

know how i would do the weigh in for the 320 lb limit??

immediately AFTER each race

pull off the track after the race...and right into the weigh in line.... cause i don't care one bit how much you weigh hours before your race...only what you actually raced at

also... on the topic of inspection...there was a nifty little device that screwed into the spark plug hole of a 4-stroke...and measured the displacement of the engine as it was cranked over...

if it were me...and i know it isn't.....

i would have classes defined by cc limits that included an engine size that more closely followed the limits of all other pro motorports for atv and bike...

as in 450cc is pro-class limit for almost all pro level atv and dirt bike competition.....

...plenty of people who want to enjoy this form of sport will be excluded from being competitive simply beause of how large an engine can be in the under 650cc class....

that prevents people who have a simple\ inexpensive bore kit of 470~490 on a well built trx or yfz or ltr...from being competitive in a class that has a limit of 650cc's..... obviously those with much deeper pockets will be going for as big a cylinder and as long of a bore as possible.... meaning that a 575cc TRX will line up with a 470cc YFZ

IMO...why have any limit on weight classes ...and still have an engine displacement disparity of 44% in classes that run together?? all this does is promote bigger and bigger \ expensive stroker + bore setups

at some point...again IMO... i think the more "well heeled" among us should simply save everybody some time and go to the tropy store directly...and buy whatever trophy they want....

if it were me...i would make classes that had the stroker + bore "mountain motors" race against only each other....perhaps a class limit set upon what could be achieved with a big bore cylinder alone (stock or aftrmarket)... which for the TRX would be 520ish....

then the guys who are going to have giant engines...which requires a stroker kit anyways.... to all just go for as big as possible while they are at it....

for me....to go pro level with the classes and series...is to not make it a pro- level only cash class.....

IMO ...pro-level racing means pro-level inspection of :
class displacement limits....fuel types...and weight limits.....

and it would be great to not turn the race into a rich man's ....or sponsored only....form of competition

All,
I want you all to be aware of an issue we are having with planet sand .
To be honest with everyone I am not even sure what it is about but I think that Planet Sand is going to back out of the sponsorship of the challenge series. This will have no impact on the challenge series - we have several sponsors that we are already working with.

Still working on clarifying what the issue is but I wanted everyone to know. When I know more I will provide additional inputs.

Bottom line is the show will go on. With the permission of the moderators I would like to set up some threads with the rules and details of the race. We are going to do the same on yfztech and atvfantics. This is an interim step until we can get the challenge website up. The new website is 4STROKECHALLENGE.COM.

The show must go on.............................
The schedule, calendar, activities are continuing................... gentlepeople get those wrenches turning we have less than 9 weeks to go....... Use Permit is granted, insurance secured, funding completed for the first challenge. We look forward to you support for these races........

Where is the list of the rules?


Found them!

I'm a former DS owner and have alot of friends that still do own them.

If you make this event to follow other forms of pro racing, 450 and under, that would disqualify the DS and the Raptor.

As the 3rd place finisher of the first 4sw's race, I can positivly say that this whole thing started as a DS vs. Raptor challange that King Raptor threw out at my engine builder.

So IMHO everyone should be welcome to race.

We are working on the rules. Final rules will be published by the end of the week.

We are focusing on the following areas for change and would like inputs. Here are a things that are being considered.

1. Adding Methanol to the gas classes.
2. Adding 3 breakout classes in the unlimited group - singles, multi under 750, multi over 750
3. Fastest ATV race - this is not KOH, but allows the fastest bikes to run headsup against each other. The other option is an award for fastest MPH. I would like to see a race (E.T.)...........

There will be a fuel tester that will be on hand to detect if there is nitro blended with metonol.

Please express your thoughts and concerns as we really want to make everyone happy or try too, your voice really does matter.

Any word on the results? Theres a couple of pictures already on planet sand but no results for the classes.

650 under stockbore
1st 1Bad YFZ
2nd Mrs Dv8 (ruth) YFZ
3rd Performance (My kryptonite riding) YFZ

Chicks class
1st Ms Dv8 (ruth) YFZ
2nd Misty (brindleys wife) YFZ

650 under Sumo class
1st Kam KOS TRX
2nd Brindley TRX

Under 650 duner
1.Colby YFZ
2.rocket factory YFZ

Brindley also got 1st in power adders on his 501 TRX

2nd was rocket factory

sounds like the 501 is a good package

Still waiting on results from this race. Does anyone know how KBR, Ludas Racing, or any other ORG member did?

Sounds like the Yami's cleaned up....

well what can i say. we got DQ'd 2 times. pretty much shot ourelves on the foot, eliminating us from the races. the bike ran great on sunday once the weather got warmer, but saturday was a complete mess. one thing i can say is that it was phucken cold, i mean freezing! the bikes weren't even getting warm. My bike will get tuned some more maybe yield us some more power. everything was last minute kind of deal. it still managed to pull 65.5 mph.

the turn out i think was smaller than past events. not even alot of people attending. Dumont itself was dead. i have some changes in the works for next race, trying to get in front of the pack this time.

i met some cool people finally and some others. met Bruce aka supastar. Talk about a stand up guy. his bike was running hard too. he will bring it back next race i'm sure of that. Garrett from Fuel Customs is an awesome guy. can't forget about the guys that helped us all weekend, jim and dennis from APS. it's nice to have you guys on my tech crew. hope that the combination of friendship will yield some domination on the hill. more to come.....

Rene, what caused you to get Dq'd??

I heard JJk didnt race, anyone know why?

JJK did not have motor back yet!

Here is the link for the results Hansen Performance(Brindley) Brought home five trophies. Kbr brought home 1st in the sumo class with Kam riding it.

http://www.planetsand.com/fourstrokechalle...gs_4SW_2007.htm

my honda was running hard for us we just had a hell of a time in lane three. couldnt keep the front end down to save our life and it costed us in the 650 under mod class specially cause of the speeds we were posting on friday and sat. we raced up in the open fuel against sparks motor nitro and got 2nd the third race was really close but no cigar gonna have to make some chassis changes. just wanted to comment on how professional everyone acted and the willlingness to help other racers thats what makes this a good event to attend.

I am a little confused in the rules in what defines a Duner? i am thinking of racing, but what consist of a duner, motor mods? suspension? thanks- Darius