Full Version: banshee vs 450r
my buddy bought a brand new banshee , and last year when he got it we raced and i beat him with my 450r , but now he has a full fmf exaust and a stage 2 port and polish and i guess his bike is supper fast he can spin on pavement shifting into 3rd... well what im getting at we never raced yet since he did those mods and last year all i had was a hrc kit on my 05 trx but this year i will have hrc kit , full rossier and a dynatech cdi , do i stand a chance?
there are so many factors that can determine ,who's likely to win a race.
Spinning the tires up to 3rd gear is not going to get you anywhere faster. Because your'e just spinning not moving.
i'm sure your 450R will win. even if you were just piped, you will beat a piped banshee with minor motor work.IF YOU KNOW HOW TO RIDE.
Spinning the tires up to 3rd gear is not going to get you anywhere faster. Because your'e just spinning not moving.
i'm sure your 450R will win. even if you were just piped, you will beat a piped banshee with minor motor work.IF YOU KNOW HOW TO RIDE.
COOL thats good to hear , thanks for the input
if the guy knows how to ride a shee its never going to happen the shee will eat ur r up.
I raced 450s all day today i have a banshee with pipes and some other stuff but ibeat alot of them all day oops this is my dads name
I've replied in a bunch of these threads, the banshee wins. I've got pipes, v-force reeds, cdi, k&n clamp on's, milled head, etc. with stock bore and no porting on the banshee. The 450R has the full HRC and filter, etc. I'd rather ride the honda in the woods and the banshee in fields or on the road. The banshee spins like crazy on dirt.
the 450R wins, i beat many banshee's with those mods.
I don't know anything about yours, but they're both in my garage. You might beat a banshee but I ride both so I'm just giving an unbiased opinion of what I have and me riding each one. 
QUOTE(Vitamin R @ Mar 17 2006, 08:22 PM)
I don't know anything about yours, but they're both in my garage. You might beat a banshee but I ride both so I'm just giving an unbiased opinion of what I have and me riding each one.
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sounds like they's a race brewing..
ahahah... 
QUOTE(drider @ Mar 15 2006, 11:37 PM)
the 450R wins, i beat many banshee's with those mods.
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in the sand the banshee wins!
not the sand i ride on..
Well at least I know that my yfz can beat a banshee everytime... 
I have seen banshee's mop up high comp/cammed/piped 450r's in a straight line, but who really rides in straight lines....Drag fags.... too scared to turn...
That means absolutely NOTHING to me. The real deal is who can hold their own riding the trails, track etc...
The banshee is an animal but everyone I have seen are almost too much to handle on a lengthy trail ride.
my $.02
....Drag fags.... too scared to turn...???
that's mean...Just because you dont like to drag, you dont need to put down anyone else. Dont you get it, Drag?? Go in stragiht line, if we wanted to turn we would.. You could turn, but we want to go fast in a straight line.."we're straight" your'e croocked!!
that's mean...Just because you dont like to drag, you dont need to put down anyone else. Dont you get it, Drag?? Go in stragiht line, if we wanted to turn we would.. You could turn, but we want to go fast in a straight line.."we're straight" your'e croocked!!
QUOTE(drider @ Mar 29 2006, 03:29 PM)
....Drag fags.... too scared to turn...???
that's mean...Just because you dont like to drag, you dont need to put down anyone else. Dont you get it, Drag?? Go in stragiht line, if we wanted to turn we would.. You could turn, but we want to go fast in a straight line.."we're straight" your'e croocked!!
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that's mean...Just because you dont like to drag, you dont need to put down anyone else. Dont you get it, Drag?? Go in stragiht line, if we wanted to turn we would.. You could turn, but we want to go fast in a straight line.."we're straight" your'e croocked!!
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OK guy's, you can not mix these two quads together. The banshee can be built up that no four stroke will stand a chance. Where the 450R is a all built purpose machine. Which can be built to go very fast too. Don't compare two strokes to four. They are two different machines and depending on who you talk to, each one will win.
It should be four stroke against four stroke and two stroke against two stroke etc.
Rico
yupp 4 vs 4 ...
cc for cc a 2 stroke will make 2x the power of a 4 stroke (don't flame, I know its not exactly true). A 2-smoker has 2x the power strokes that a 4 stroke does. There are a LOT of other factors but by the definition of the two types of motors, a 2 stroke should make more power. Having said that, hp doesn't mean everything since torque is what makes the wheels turn...
im not gona say whos gona win... banshee or 450.. or anyother quad. all depends on how you ride the bizniggle!!
QUOTE(Rico450R @ Mar 29 2006, 03:11 PM)
The banshee can be built up that no four stroke will stand a chance.
Very very true. I've whooped up on my fair share with the 450r, but you have to pick your battles. I piped banshee shouldn't be too hard if you have the HRC kit and maybe a full pipe and so on. A ported - piped banshee can be wicked. In fact, with the right pipes and porting, 70hp is not unimaginable off a stock bore, ported banshee, with raised compression and all the goodies.
So, what I'm saying is, it depends on how good of the porting. The pipes are good and work well with portwork.
To end all, your going to have to line up and see. If he has that work AND geared up, your toast.
yup. it's all about the rider....thats a big factor.. and rider weight!!i found that out. i have a 1984 atc 200s. buddy has the same he ways like 250, i weigh 170 i took him everytime..
my 06 450r w/hrc has dusted some banshee's but i have been passed by some as well. there are alot of variables. the quads/the years/the mods/the rider/weight, etc.
all in all it should be close. I would bet that out of 5 races you may split 3-2
then trade mounts and see. this is best way to see if its rider or quad winning.
heck depending on how ruff the strip is sometimes the better suspension is enough to pull it out.
race and come back and post results.
all in all it should be close. I would bet that out of 5 races you may split 3-2
then trade mounts and see. this is best way to see if its rider or quad winning.
heck depending on how ruff the strip is sometimes the better suspension is enough to pull it out.
race and come back and post results.
QUOTE(jimmy450r @ Apr 1 2006, 10:56 AM)
heck depending on how ruff the strip is sometimes the better suspension is enough to pull it out..
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damn straight jimmy... pismo for example??? old drags, the far right side is alot smoother then middle or left.
and honestly, your not going to know if your going to beat him or not, untill you get your ass on that seat and throw some sand. >>>First comes Rider skill.
>>>Then luck.
>>>Then its about the machines.
And some where in there will power shud be in place. Just have to find a spot..
As some people will dispute the last two, it depends on your mind set.
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I have seen banshee's mop up high comp/cammed/piped 450r's in a straight line, but who really rides in straight lines....Drag fags.... too scared to turn...
As far as this b.s. you posted is concerned. I ride trails mainly and drag on my free time. Draggin and trail riden are two different things. Yeah sure it takes balls to do 30-40-50 through the trails sure. But it also takes balls to do 70-80-90-100+ down a straight piece of bumpy or not bumpy piece of earth. less then 3 feet from anouther person.
Either way they both take huevos. And I think its low of you to diss people like that man. Thats real low. Maybe if you had ever ran a drag line before you'd reolize it aint as easy as it looks and it sure as hell is just as white nuckle as riding the trails.
you got that straight quadking450r!
I my brother and father in law both have shees. They both have 4 mil stroker kits, are ported, have aftermarket carbs, timing advanced etc. The brother in law has had his dynoed and was in the low 70s. My old 450R had a high comp piston, HRC kit and Yosh exhaust. They would spank me. Before my brother in law put the 4 mil stroker in, he was ported, piped and had the timing advanced. We were very close and would trade wins. Now, I have the Nmotion 520 in my R and I can trade wins with the stroked banshees, it just depends upon who gets a better launch (this is all in the sand...on the dirt I can kill em!). Also, don't forget rubber! In the sand or the dirt, traction is critical. How much do you want to spin, are you launching in 1st or 2nd? Hook up is important. The banshee has such a peaky powerband that it can be hard to get consistent, smooth delivery. That is why a 55 hp 450R can run with a 70 HP banshee. We hit and maintain close to peak HP for more RPM across the range of RPM. In other words, a 4 stroke is easier to keep in the sweet spot.
Good Luck!
Good Luck!
I gotta say, it's rider skills first. I raced my brother-law, He was riding my wifes 05' 450R w/light mods-exhaust, Intake, jetting, etc., while I rode my banshee which also has light mods-t5 pipes, intake, shaved head. I beat him with the banshee first, we switched bikes, and then I beat him with the 450R. He just bought himself an 06' 450ER and installed the HRC kit. He says it's faster than our 05'. Guess we'll see, if does beat my 450, I'll tear him up with the banshee, and some skill. I'll give feed back after Memorial on the Oregon Dunes. I love the sand, it's my home away from home.
I REALLY wish I had gotten one of you guy's 450R's. I went from a, let me get in the grove, " piped, air filtered, and carb kited" Banshee and the 450R is bearly half motor wise. Wide open down the road is close but if you limit the run space the Banshee gets there a lot faster and is faster over all. I also kept my Banshee in tip-top shape which is also a BIG factor. In conclusion, I've had A LOT of different quads and the 450R isn't as great as I thought it would be. I'f it had the CRF motor it would be faster than the Banshee and everythink else for that matter. I raced MX on mine and have never ridden in sand but I've never lost the " first turn sprint " with my Banshee. I'm also a really good rider and have a lot of expirience with 2-strokes. The last class I raced in was open A against a veriaty of different quads and engines. A $20,000 CRF Laeger bike isn't that fast if the rider can't get the power out of it. I rode a 450R that would have ran right beside my old Banshee and it spund and slid just like the Banshee did and I don't want to start to mention the list of things done to it. It didn't have porting. I will say that. That is also the LAST thing they had left to do. The 450R is a great bike in the end. I wish it had the power my WR has. 33 is not 50. It takes a hell of a lot more than a pipe and k+n filter to get that. One more thing to keep in mind is that 50 hp out of a 4-stroke is 60 from a 2-stroke when you factor in the 2-stroke's wheel spin.
QUOTE(hondachic21 @ May 26 2006, 05:27 PM)
I REALLY wish I had gotten one of you guy's 450R's. I went from a, let me get in the grove, " piped, air filtered, and carb kited" Banshee and the 450R is bearly half motor wise. Wide open down the road is close but if you limit the run space the Banshee gets there a lot faster and is faster over all. I also kept my Banshee in tip-top shape which is also a BIG factor. In conclusion, I've had A LOT of different quads and the 450R isn't as great as I thought it would be. I'f it had the CRF motor it would be faster than the Banshee and everythink else for that matter. I raced MX on mine and have never ridden in sand but I've never lost the " first turn sprint " with my Banshee. I'm also a really good rider and have a lot of expirience with 2-strokes. The last class I raced in was open A against a veriaty of different quads and engines. A $20,000 CRF Laeger bike isn't that fast if the rider can't get the power out of it. I rode a 450R that would have ran right beside my old Banshee and it spund and slid just like the Banshee did and I don't want to start to mention the list of things done to it. It didn't have porting. I will say that. That is also the LAST thing they had left to do. The 450R is a great bike in the end. I wish it had the power my WR has. 33 is not 50. It takes a hell of a lot more than a pipe and k+n filter to get that. One more thing to keep in mind is that 50 hp out of a 4-stroke is 60 from a 2-stroke when you factor in the 2-stroke's wheel spin.
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Uhhh where have you been? the engine in the 450r IS THE CRF MOTOR..... according to honda. so WTH? actually It wouldn't seeing as the crf has 2 wheels, and is like what 100lbs lighter? well of course its going to be faster. oh btw, not many people like braggers... personally I think their a$$holes. if you dont like it, then get rid of it.
-Nuke
It's hard coming off of a ported Banshee motor because the snap isn't there. To get it back, you have to spend some dough on headwork and nice big cam. I finally got there with Mixx's porting and the X1 cam. The X1 cam is wicked, gives a lot of snap and with the right parts to go around it, can make a wicked motor.
Straight-line, my 450r has taken down a local 60hp Banshee, straight line, on the MX track and on the TT track. I beat him from the start to the corner; if we both round the big corner into the straight, both going fast already, I'll still pull him down the straight. In the sand a few weeks back, I was pulling him by a bike length to the end.
Thing everyone needs to remember is, almost any bike out today, especially 450 and up, can be made to run, it all just depends on mods. If the straight line war is what it wants, the Banshee can easily be made to make 99% of the 4 strokes look stupid. But for the majority of us who like to drag and still be able to ride like normal, the 450cc 4 stroke is a damn good quad, from any of the mfg's, it just takes a little more $ per hp to get there.
Straight-line, my 450r has taken down a local 60hp Banshee, straight line, on the MX track and on the TT track. I beat him from the start to the corner; if we both round the big corner into the straight, both going fast already, I'll still pull him down the straight. In the sand a few weeks back, I was pulling him by a bike length to the end.
Thing everyone needs to remember is, almost any bike out today, especially 450 and up, can be made to run, it all just depends on mods. If the straight line war is what it wants, the Banshee can easily be made to make 99% of the 4 strokes look stupid. But for the majority of us who like to drag and still be able to ride like normal, the 450cc 4 stroke is a damn good quad, from any of the mfg's, it just takes a little more $ per hp to get there.
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QUOTE(hondachic21 @ May 26 2006, 05:27 PM)
I REALLY wish I had gotten one of you guy's 450R's. I went from a, let me get in the grove, " piped, air filtered, and carb kited" Banshee and the 450R is bearly half motor wise. Wide open down the road is close but if you limit the run space the Banshee gets there a lot faster and is faster over all. I also kept my Banshee in tip-top shape which is also a BIG factor. In conclusion, I've had A LOT of different quads and the 450R isn't as great as I thought it would be. I'f it had the CRF motor it would be faster than the Banshee and everythink else for that matter. I raced MX on mine and have never ridden in sand but I've never lost the " first turn sprint " with my Banshee. I'm also a really good rider and have a lot of expirience with 2-strokes. The last class I raced in was open A against a veriaty of different quads and engines. A $20,000 CRF Laeger bike isn't that fast if the rider can't get the power out of it. I rode a 450R that would have ran right beside my old Banshee and it spund and slid just like the Banshee did and I don't want to start to mention the list of things done to it. It didn't have porting. I will say that. That is also the LAST thing they had left to do. The 450R is a great bike in the end. I wish it had the power my WR has. 33 is not 50. It takes a hell of a lot more than a pipe and k+n filter to get that. One more thing to keep in mind is that 50 hp out of a 4-stroke is 60 from a 2-stroke when you factor in the 2-stroke's wheel spin.
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Uhhh where have you been? the engine in the 450r IS THE CRF MOTOR..... according to honda. so WTH? actually It wouldn't seeing as the crf has 2 wheels, and is like what 100lbs lighter? well of course its going to be faster. oh btw, not many people like braggers... personally I think their a$$holes. if you dont like it, then get rid of it.
-Nuke
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the 04/05 is not the crf motor, its design is the same, but its bore and stroke is different and its choked to high 30s compared to a crfs 51. as far as piped banshee ve hrc 450r, ive been there and the 450 should win, htough its pretty close. top speed they were about even (fmf piped banshee)
i got a quick question off the top-pick
what about the 450r and the ds650 i have race this kid that weights less than 100 pounds good rider he drag races hes got some mods
i have the hrc kit i beat him by 2 bike lenghts everytime on dirt
he says its not fear because i have the HRC kit in my bike
i dont think its not fear because hes got 200cc more motor than me
do you guys thinks they should be in the same class its a bigger motor to me its not fear
lets me make it a 520 against a stock ds650..
to me its like racing a v6 against a v8
what about the 450r and the ds650 i have race this kid that weights less than 100 pounds good rider he drag races hes got some mods
i have the hrc kit i beat him by 2 bike lenghts everytime on dirt
he says its not fear because i have the HRC kit in my bike
i dont think its not fear because hes got 200cc more motor than me
do you guys thinks they should be in the same class its a bigger motor to me its not fear
lets me make it a 520 against a stock ds650..
to me its like racing a v6 against a v8
A heavily modified banshee is basically untouchable as far as most factory machines go. 450r, atc250r, basically everything else gets sucked up.
Keep the mods reasonable and the shee is still a fast bike but like i said, once mods start getting heavy you better have some pretty serious firepower or your gonna get smoked. I beat piped and other lightly modded shee's routinely on the trike or the quad...but theres always gonna be that one guy that shows up with a 430 on alky and dominates all
Keep the mods reasonable and the shee is still a fast bike but like i said, once mods start getting heavy you better have some pretty serious firepower or your gonna get smoked. I beat piped and other lightly modded shee's routinely on the trike or the quad...but theres always gonna be that one guy that shows up with a 430 on alky and dominates all
QUOTE(btizzle @ Mar 22 2006, 08:44 AM) 
Well at least I know that my yfz can beat a banshee everytime...
You must not ride much. I have a stock cylinder 350 with a drag port cool head and v-vorce reeds, running stock gears ,stock carbs, and on pump gas that I havnt seen lose to a yfz or a trx450 in 3 years. Im talking about on the sand, hill racing around 300- 500 feet races Trust me I luv my 450r and on a track or trails it would not even be a race, but the shee is built for one thing and one thing it does real well is win in a drag race.
My 660r beats my buddies 450r in a drag all the time and im givin up 35 pounds rider weight plus difference in machine weight. then we turn into the woods and well.....no contest. Thats why i'll have an 07 r in the garage next weekend. They're fun, but drags really don't prove much to me. My 660 is fast as hell till you want to turn or stop or jump or rail a berm or wheelie. Like an out of control missle. Where it goes no one knows!!
You guys do realize that this topic is over a year old.....
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QUOTE(btizzle @ Mar 22 2006, 08:44 AM)
Well at least I know that my yfz can beat a banshee everytime...
You must not ride much. I have a stock cylinder 350 with a drag port cool head and v-vorce reeds, running stock gears ,stock carbs, and on pump gas that I havnt seen lose to a yfz or a trx450 in 3 years. Im talking about on the sand, hill racing around 300- 500 feet races Trust me I luv my 450r and on a track or trails it would not even be a race, but the shee is built for one thing and one thing it does real well is win in a drag race.Well you havent been racing 450r's or Yfz's with the same kind of mods you have, ported, piston, pipe and cams, your racing close to stock bikes by the sound of it
saw that after it was too late
Im owned a banshee and still own parts to it(im parting it out) And i would just like to say one thing. one pavement if both machines have equal mods the banshee will most likely win.
If someone had a banshee that has the most amount of mods you can think of and they race a 450r that has everything done to it to.
The banshee will win they have cheetha kits for banshee that make them 610cc's and have powervalves. Some banshee motors will easily make over 100 hp(i know that horse doesnt make you will races but it is the measurement for power). And then there are the crazy banshee owners. that have 3 cyclinder and over 900cc motor with turbos and nos. of course the only way to know for sure who is goin to win is to line them up and see at the end of the strip. but i would like to see any 450r line up agianst one of those banshees. it would be like watching a geo metro race a drag car.
who cares if it is a year old people are still racing there banshee and 450r everyday
If someone had a banshee that has the most amount of mods you can think of and they race a 450r that has everything done to it to.
The banshee will win they have cheetha kits for banshee that make them 610cc's and have powervalves. Some banshee motors will easily make over 100 hp(i know that horse doesnt make you will races but it is the measurement for power). And then there are the crazy banshee owners. that have 3 cyclinder and over 900cc motor with turbos and nos. of course the only way to know for sure who is goin to win is to line them up and see at the end of the strip. but i would like to see any 450r line up agianst one of those banshees. it would be like watching a geo metro race a drag car.
who cares if it is a year old people are still racing there banshee and 450r everyday
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QUOTE(btizzle @ Mar 22 2006, 08:44 AM)
Well at least I know that my yfz can beat a banshee everytime...
You must not ride much. I have a stock cylinder 350 with a drag port cool head and v-vorce reeds, running stock gears ,stock carbs, and on pump gas that I havnt seen lose to a yfz or a trx450 in 3 years. Im talking about on the sand, hill racing around 300- 500 feet races Trust me I luv my 450r and on a track or trails it would not even be a race, but the shee is built for one thing and one thing it does real well is win in a drag race.trust me bro. you have no chance against Btizzles bike..... no chance
Another thread back from the dead.
QUOTE(drider @ Mar 29 2006, 03:29 PM)
....Drag fags.... too scared to turn...???
that's mean...Just because you dont like to drag, you dont need to put down anyone else. Dont you get it, Drag?? Go in stragiht line, if we wanted to turn we would.. You could turn, but we want to go fast in a straight line.."we're straight" your'e croocked!!
that's mean...Just because you dont like to drag, you dont need to put down anyone else. Dont you get it, Drag?? Go in stragiht line, if we wanted to turn we would.. You could turn, but we want to go fast in a straight line.."we're straight" your'e croocked!!
I agree. Straight line is where its at.. Maybe its because I have always been a car drag fan or maybe just becuase I am an old man. ha ha
QUOTE(ghott @ Jan 10 2008, 05:22 PM)
Another thread back from the dead.
better than starting a new one about the same crap though.
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QUOTE(ghott @ Jan 10 2008, 05:22 PM)
Another thread back from the dead.
better than starting a new one about the same crap though.
Agreed, good point.
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QUOTE(rebel @ Jul 14 2007, 04:41 PM)
QUOTE(btizzle @ Mar 22 2006, 08:44 AM)
Well at least I know that my yfz can beat a banshee everytime...
You must not ride much. I have a stock cylinder 350 with a drag port cool head and v-vorce reeds, running stock gears ,stock carbs, and on pump gas that I havnt seen lose to a yfz or a trx450 in 3 years. Im talking about on the sand, hill racing around 300- 500 feet races Trust me I luv my 450r and on a track or trails it would not even be a race, but the shee is built for one thing and one thing it does real well is win in a drag race.trust me bro. you have no chance against Btizzles bike..... no chance
LOL, senor is right. I saw Btizzles yfz run, and it's FAST. His yfz would half-hill most banshees.
He who has the most money...has the most mods... And for me...Im a stocker... I believe that fast is a very relative term. If you think your quad is fast and your happy with it...then great...Because your quad is faster that mine doesnt mean your weiner is big or your more of a man...It generally means that your mommy and daddy gave you more money than some others. As far as racing them, I cant honestly understand why anyone would race anything other than what the quad was designed for. I am an advocate for 450s racing 450s...not 450s racing 700s or 450 four strokes racing 300 two strokes... or anything else for that matter... Keep it in the same group with the same amount of mods to even the score.....Hate to see a 454 chevelle racing a geo with a 3 cylinder. 
Yep....all about who has more $$$$$ invested. Equally modded though, it's pretty hard to think you're going to outrun a shee with any 450. I owned a '05 banshee with nothing more than Pro Circuit pipes. At the same time, I also had my '05 R, my brother a LTR and my buddy a YFZ, all piped + intake mods. All three 450's would pull 2-3 lengths on the shee until 5th gear. When the Banshee would hit 6th, it was over in a hurry EVERY time. The closest competition was the LTR with 20" rears + geared up 1 tooth in the front and the shee still walked by it hard on top. Keep the race short and the 450 stands a chance. Get it to top end and the scales tip largely in favor of the twin. All our races were run on blacktop to keep traction from being an issue. In the sand, I lost every race to the YFZ, but only because we didn't have enough room. Every time I'd be reeling him in quick only to have to shut down. The 450 gained a larger margin of comfort in the sand though due to less wheelspin than the shee. Consequently though, I sold my Banshee and still have my 450R. The R is for sure the better all around package.
a banshee with some work done to it eats 450's for breakfast, lunch and dinner all day. in the track the banshee has no chance versus a 450 but in a drag race banshee all the way.
QUOTE(4runner @ Mar 11 2006, 11:44 AM)
my buddy bought a brand new banshee , and last year when he got it we raced and i beat him with my 450r , but now he has a full fmf exaust and a stage 2 port and polish and i guess his bike is supper fast he can spin on pavement shifting into 3rd... well what im getting at we never raced yet since he did those mods and last year all i had was a hrc kit on my 05 trx but this year i will have hrc kit , full rossier and a dynatech cdi , do i stand a chance?
gear down so you can start in 2nd or 3rd and holeshot the crap outa the banshee. You'll lose top speed in 5th though....13/39 or 13/40.
QUOTE(NASTY NATE @ Feb 24 2008, 01:30 PM)
a banshee with some work done to it eats 450's for breakfast, lunch and dinner all day. in the track the banshee has no chance versus a 450 but in a drag race banshee all the way.
with some work done to it? haha your going to need more than "some" work done to a banshee not to look like a idiot racing my R
hondaman lets say you have $5000 of engine mods to your 450r and i have $2000 on my banshee you really think you have a chance? not saying a 450r is not fast im just saying it has no chance on a banshee. the only way i say the 450r winning if the banshee jockey cant drive or he ways 500 pounds and blows a back tire. i myself have owned a 450r and feel its the best riding bike but i cant say its gonna beat banshees with SOME work done to it. or if your 450r is dragged out and the banshee is not that would be a good advantage on your side. if both bikes have same set ups banshee all day. what do you got done to your bike hondaman? just curious.
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