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Old 01-03-2007, 03:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
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On our quads...what does the condenser do? I'm putting my quad back together and if it is not necessary I'd like to remove it since its attached to big huge black bracket! :) Just not familiar with its purpose on an ATV as opposed to AC in a car.
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Old 01-03-2007, 03:40 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Good question Jeremy. Im not 100% sure what it does either but I think it has something to do with the ignition system. Im thinking along the lines of "points and conderser" like in an old car.... Espcecially since our bikes use a stator to produce spark. As for your bike still running if removed is probably highly un-likely. Hopefully someone that knows for sure will reply, you have "sparked" my interest now as well (no pun intended)
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Old 01-03-2007, 03:49 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I think it serves as a path to ground for the coil.
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Old 01-03-2007, 08:51 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Condencer in a car a/c system is not the same thing as what you are saying is on your quad. the condencer in the A/C system is like a radiator and the condencer you are seeing is a electronic componant.

and i do not have a clue what it does on this bike. i havent been in the electrical system as of yet..
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Old 01-03-2007, 11:58 PM   #5 (permalink)
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It's a low pass filter that smooths the pulses from the 12v system to prevent the head and taillights from blinking at low RPM. Probably also preserves fan motor life a bit.

That's it..... Think of it as a VERY small battery for the 12vdc part of the quad's electrical system. It has nothing to do with the ignition (magneto) side.
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Gabe nailed it.
Nothing to do with Igntion.

It does the same thing as a capasitor for a amp in a car system.

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Old 01-04-2007, 12:42 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I am guessing that YFZ's do not have one? Because every one I have seen has a pulsation of the headlights at idle.


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Old 01-04-2007, 12:53 AM   #8 (permalink)
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The YFZ has a battery so it doesn't really have a big need for a filter cap

The YFZ does some weird stuff with it's charging system that may be causing some of the pulsing - but also remember that when the bike is running, a battery is really a load, not a source of power. Another thing to note is that the YFZ uses it's 12vdc system for ignition too, unlike the TRX - so that draw may also be lowering the line voltage when the plug fires.

Back to the battery thing though - lets say the charging system is pulsing at 14.4v at idle. The battery has six 2.1v cells totalling 12.6v at full charge - the pulses you see are probably the result of the line voltage varying from approx 14.4vdc to 12.6vdc, the ignition stealing some line voltage to spark the plug, as well as possibly some of the mysterious goings on with the YFZ charging system in general.
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a condensor in an a/c system takes vapor refrigerent coming from your evap coil (inside your cab) and by running air across it, condenses back into a liquid to re-start the refrigerant cycle.

I would not remove anything from the electrical system. they wouldnt of used it if it wasnt needed and its hidden undr the hood/
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Thanks a ton for the insight Gabe!

So if I don't run a taillight or headlight would it have no ill effects removing it? This is a MX quad.
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Old 01-04-2007, 02:06 AM   #11 (permalink)
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It's a low pass filter that smooths the pulses from the 12v system to prevent the head and taillights from blinking at low RPM. Probably also preserves fan motor life a bit.

That's it..... Think of it as a VERY small battery for the 12vdc part of the quad's electrical system. It has nothing to do with the ignition (magneto) side. [/b]
filters and smooths the waves out and a little extra juice for starting

in AC they have capacitor start motors and need them if not they burn out a little reserve for starting and must be matched to motor and should be changed once in a while

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The YFZ does some weird stuff with it's charging system that may be causing some of the pulsing - but also remember that when the bike is running, a battery is really a load, not a source of power. Another thing to note is that the YFZ uses it's 12vdc system for ignition too, unlike the TRX - so that draw may also be lowering the line voltage when the plug fires.[/b]
those lights are AC and not DC the charging coil and exciter both branch off to the rectifier/voltage regulator for battery charging only and I think brake light, fan and the charging system works better with the lights on and is a minimal system for more performance discharges with the fan on
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filters and smooths the waves out and a little extra juice for starting [/b]
Starting the fan, not the engine.

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those lights are AC and not DC the charging coil and exciter both branch off to the rectifier/voltage regulator for battery charging only and I think brake light, fan and the charging system works better with the lights on and is a minimal system for more performance discharges with the fan on[/b]
Ahh - I thought the YFZ ran everything off the 12vdc - shows how often I work on YFZs... Still a goofy system that causes weird stuff to happen with the charging and ignition. Has equally as goofy a fix to keep it all working right if you have the headlights removed.

Anyhow - apparently that's why the headlights pulse badly on the YFZ -- running off the AC, not the DC like a 450R.
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Old 01-04-2007, 11:18 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Starting the fan, not the engine.[/b]
hey you could charge up some condensers and hook them up to the gluteamus maxi mus and add a push button and may be able to push start one


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