stripped gas tank nuts - Honda TRX450R Forums: Honda TRX 450R Forum

PITTMANSPOWERSPORTS · 08-22-2006, 02:43 PM

on the 450r, the nuts are glued or pressed or something into the gas tank and some moisture got in there and stripped them out so they were just spinning and i couldnt tighten the fenders back down, luckily thanks to my extended warranty, i got a new tank and bolts for free and thats the second case of that happening and the dealership i work at anyway, anyone else run into this problem or know of any possible solutions to prevent it?

TRX450R_Racer · 08-22-2006, 03:23 PM

Use anti-seize on the bolts and don't over tighten them.

HRE · 08-22-2006, 10:45 PM

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Originally posted by PITTMANSPOWERSPORTS@Aug 22 2006, 01:43 PM
on the 450r, the nuts are glued or pressed or something into the gas tank and some moisture got in there and stripped them out so they were just spinning and i couldnt tighten the fenders back down, luckily thanks to my extended warranty, i got a new tank and bolts for free and thats the second case of that happening and the dealership i work at anyway, anyone else run into this problem or know of any possible solutions to prevent it?

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Yeah, I just bought my 06 used from someone and I was going to take the tank off and the **** left side tank bolt will not come off. I had to take the tank and front fender off in one piece! WTF!

neptali · 08-23-2006, 01:01 AM

Notorious problem for 450r's!!!! Same thing happened to me not too long ago

I bought a "spare" tank off a member but decided to go with the IMS oversized tank anyway.I feel your pain brotha!!!! IMS all the way

BackSpace · 08-23-2006, 01:34 AM

they are molded around the brass inserts just drill of the head and use anti seize and do not over tighten

TRX450R_Racer · 08-23-2006, 08:32 AM

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@Aug 22 2006, 01:43 PM
on the 450r, the nuts are glued or pressed or something into the gas tank and some moisture got in there and stripped them out so they were just spinning and i couldnt tighten the fenders back down, luckily thanks to my extended warranty, i got a new tank and bolts for free and thats the second case of that happening and the dealership i work at anyway, anyone else run into this problem or know of any possible solutions to prevent it?

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Yeah, I just bought my 06 used from someone and I was going to take the tank off and the **** left side tank bolt will not come off. I had to take the tank and front fender off in one piece! WTF!

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Chino I would try to get it warrantied. It is a well know problem from day one.

remmy · 08-23-2006, 11:14 AM

I just had the same thing happen to me.

Anybody got another gas tank?

Bako450R · 08-23-2006, 11:36 AM

well guy i feel your pain. this happened to me a long time ago. i have a fix that has worked for me.

so this is what i did. i managed to take the plastics off the tanks carefully by prying. then i grabbed a set of needle nose pliers and a 8mm socket and install the socket on my impact gun. i spun the brass insert nut with the 8mm bolt until it heated up the plastic while prying the bolt out with the needle nose pliers. so i finally took it out. i took a exacto knife to clean the hole where the insert just came out of. i cleaned the brass insert from melted plastic. i then made sure the insert would go back in the hole without much pressure. once i accomplished this i mixed a small batch of quick jbweld. i filled the hole about half way. then inserted the brass nut back in. wipe excess jb weld that comes out of hole. and just wait for it to dry and this works just good as new or better.

if anyone has questions just ask me. i'll help you.

smprider112 · 08-24-2006, 12:49 AM

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Originally posted by Bako450R@Aug 23 2006, 08:36 AM
well guy i feel your pain. this happened to me a long time ago. i have a fix that has worked for me.

so this is what i did. i managed to take the plastics off the tanks carefully by prying. then i grabbed a set of needle nose pliers and a 8mm socket and install the socket on my impact gun. i spun the brass insert nut with the 8mm bolt until it heated up the plastic while prying the bolt out with the needle nose pliers. so i finally took it out. i took a exacto knife to clean the hole where the insert just came out of. i cleaned the brass insert from melted plastic. i then made sure the insert would go back in the hole without much pressure. once i accomplished this i mixed a small batch of quick jbweld. i filled the hole about half way. then inserted the brass nut back in. wipe excess jb weld that comes out of hole. and just wait for it to dry and this works just good as new or better.

if anyone has questions just ask me. i'll help you.

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Just wanted to let ya know...you saved my @$$!! I just happened to come across this thread....I stripped mine out last week, and just repaired it tonight after reading this post...so far so good, the J-B is almost dried and it seems to be holding well. If not for this thread I would have just left it like that and taken the whole front plastics off if I needed the tank off.

Im just glad this is a common problem, I was pissed at first when Mine did this to me, and my bike is less then a year old with not many rides on it.

HRE · 08-24-2006, 11:18 AM

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@Aug 23 2006, 08:36 AM
well guy i feel your pain. this happened to me a long time ago. i have a fix that has worked for me.

so this is what i did. i managed to take the plastics off the tanks carefully by prying. then i grabbed a set of needle nose pliers and a 8mm socket and install the socket on my impact gun. i spun the brass insert nut with the 8mm bolt until it heated up the plastic while prying the bolt out with the needle nose pliers. so i finally took it out. i took a exacto knife to clean the hole where the insert just came out of. i cleaned the brass insert from melted plastic. i then made sure the insert would go back in the hole without much pressure. once i accomplished this i mixed a small batch of quick jbweld. i filled the hole about half way. then inserted the brass nut back in. wipe excess jb weld that comes out of hole. and just wait for it to dry and this works just good as new or better.

if anyone has questions just ask me. i'll help you.

[snapback]273545[/snapback]

Just wanted to let ya know...you saved my @$$!! I just happened to come across this thread....I stripped mine out last week, and just repaired it tonight after reading this post...so far so good, the J-B is almost dried and it seems to be holding well. If not for this thread I would have just left it like that and taken the whole front plastics off if I needed the tank off.

Im just glad this is a common problem, I was pissed at first when Mine did this to me, and my bike is less then a year old with not many rides on it.

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I am going to jack with mine tonight! You think gorilla glue will hold it?

Bako450R · 08-24-2006, 12:07 PM

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@Aug 23 2006, 08:36 AM
well guy i feel your pain. this happened to me a long time ago. i have a fix that has worked for me.

so this is what i did. i managed to take the plastics off the tanks carefully by prying. then i grabbed a set of needle nose pliers and a 8mm socket and install the socket on my impact gun. i spun the brass insert nut with the 8mm bolt until it heated up the plastic while prying the bolt out with the needle nose pliers. so i finally took it out. i took a exacto knife to clean the hole where the insert just came out of. i cleaned the brass insert from melted plastic. i then made sure the insert would go back in the hole without much pressure. once i accomplished this i mixed a small batch of quick jbweld. i filled the hole about half way. then inserted the brass nut back in. wipe excess jb weld that comes out of hole. and just wait for it to dry and this works just good as new or better.

if anyone has questions just ask me. i'll help you.

[snapback]273545[/snapback]

Just wanted to let ya know...you saved my @$$!! I just happened to come across this thread....I stripped mine out last week, and just repaired it tonight after reading this post...so far so good, the J-B is almost dried and it seems to be holding well. If not for this thread I would have just left it like that and taken the whole front plastics off if I needed the tank off.

Im just glad this is a common problem, I was pissed at first when Mine did this to me, and my bike is less then a year old with not many rides on it.

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I am going to jack with mine tonight! You think gorilla glue will hold it?

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gorilla glue may work but i'm not sure it will fill the hole in tightly like jb weld will.

Bako450R · 08-24-2006, 12:10 PM

glad someone took advantage of my fix. hope it works as good for you as it did for me.

PITTMANSPOWERSPORTS · 08-27-2006, 09:49 PM

gotta love jb weld i actually got my tank warranteed and got to keep my old tank and ended up fixing it with jb weld anyway, so now i have a spare tank!

Porta · 09-07-2006, 07:22 PM

I had the same problem on my TRX450 05 ,i went with a IMS oversized tank :)

Chuck's 06 450 · 09-07-2006, 10:08 PM

These might be great fixes, but it's not the cure. I think the bolts threading into the brass and getting a piece of the brass threads "welded" to the steel threads of the bolt and then screwing up the brass threads of the insert on the way back in is the real culprit.

I've had both sides do this and I took my dremel out and removed the brass that was stuck to the bolts threads and voila - no more tight threads and it screws in with no problem.

I don't know a better cure than to be REALLY careful when screwing these bolts in. If it feels tight, there's probably a fubar'd thread - just clean it before you screw it back in. I fine wire brush on the bolt might work well too...

08-22-2006, 02:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
PITTMANSPOWERSPORTS 250EX Rider Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NJ Posts: 127	on the 450r, the nuts are glued or pressed or something into the gas tank and some moisture got in there and stripped them out so they were just spinning and i couldnt tighten the fenders back down, luckily thanks to my extended warranty, i got a new tank and bolts for free and thats the second case of that happening and the dealership i work at anyway, anyone else run into this problem or know of any possible solutions to prevent it? __________________ 2005 TRX450R FMF FACTORY 4 COMPLETE EXHAUST, FMF JET KIT, NOS MACHINE CARB ADAPTER, FCR CARB, BOYESEN QUICK SHOT, MSR FUEL MIXTURE SCREW, LONESTAR RACING BLOCK OFF PLATE, TWIN AIR FILTER POWER FLOW KIT, REV MAX +1750 C.D.I., HONDA HRC KIT, WORKS PERFORMANCE FRONT AND REAR SHOCK KITS, MOOSE RACING NERF BARS, MOOSE RACING FRONT BUMPER, AC RACING REAR GRAB BAR, ITP GNCC TIRES, DENTON STEERING STABILIZER, 2007 GRAPHICS, ASR STAINLESS BRAKE LINES, DG LASERPLATE SKID PLATES, FLEXX HANDLEBARS, BOYESEN SHOCKOUT GRIP SYSTEM, REKLUSE CLUTCH

08-22-2006, 03:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
TRX450R_Racer 400EX Rider Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: West Palm Beach, FL Posts: 1,165	Use anti-seize on the bolts and don't over tighten them. __________________ *Frank* Click here to see my 450R Life's too short, wear a helmet Dress for the crash, not for the ride

08-23-2006, 01:01 AM	#4 (permalink)
neptali 300EX Rider Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 662	Notorious problem for 450r's!!!! Same thing happened to me not too long ago I bought a "spare" tank off a member but decided to go with the IMS oversized tank anyway.I feel your pain brotha!!!! IMS all the way __________________ karma is alive and well.......

08-23-2006, 11:14 AM	#7 (permalink)
remmy 400EX Rider Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Lake City, FL Posts: 1,439	I just had the same thing happen to me. Anybody got another gas tank? __________________ 06 450ER - PAID FOR!!! DG Front Bumper DG Nerf Bars w/Heel Guards Hotcams Stage II Pro Design K&N w/Outerwears Open air box w/Outerwears cover HMF Adjustable Needle - 3rd Clip Aftermarket endcap 165MJ - A/F - 2 turns out Truthiness - the quality of stating concepts or facts one wishes or believes to be true, rather than concepts or facts known to be true.

08-23-2006, 11:36 AM	#8 (permalink)
Bako450R 400EX Rider Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,472	well guy i feel your pain. this happened to me a long time ago. i have a fix that has worked for me. so this is what i did. i managed to take the plastics off the tanks carefully by prying. then i grabbed a set of needle nose pliers and a 8mm socket and install the socket on my impact gun. i spun the brass insert nut with the 8mm bolt until it heated up the plastic while prying the bolt out with the needle nose pliers. so i finally took it out. i took a exacto knife to clean the hole where the insert just came out of. i cleaned the brass insert from melted plastic. i then made sure the insert would go back in the hole without much pressure. once i accomplished this i mixed a small batch of quick jbweld. i filled the hole about half way. then inserted the brass nut back in. wipe excess jb weld that comes out of hole. and just wait for it to dry and this works just good as new or better. if anyone has questions just ask me. i'll help you. __________________

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08-23-2006, 01:34 AM	#5 (permalink)
BackSpace 400EX Rider Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,105	they are molded around the brass inserts just drill of the head and use anti seize and do not over tighten

08-24-2006, 12:10 PM	#12 (permalink)
Bako450R 400EX Rider Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,472	glad someone took advantage of my fix. hope it works as good for you as it did for me. __________________

08-27-2006, 09:49 PM	#13 (permalink)
PITTMANSPOWERSPORTS 250EX Rider Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NJ Posts: 127	gotta love jb weld i actually got my tank warranteed and got to keep my old tank and ended up fixing it with jb weld anyway, so now i have a spare tank! __________________ 2005 TRX450R FMF FACTORY 4 COMPLETE EXHAUST, FMF JET KIT, NOS MACHINE CARB ADAPTER, FCR CARB, BOYESEN QUICK SHOT, MSR FUEL MIXTURE SCREW, LONESTAR RACING BLOCK OFF PLATE, TWIN AIR FILTER POWER FLOW KIT, REV MAX +1750 C.D.I., HONDA HRC KIT, WORKS PERFORMANCE FRONT AND REAR SHOCK KITS, MOOSE RACING NERF BARS, MOOSE RACING FRONT BUMPER, AC RACING REAR GRAB BAR, ITP GNCC TIRES, DENTON STEERING STABILIZER, 2007 GRAPHICS, ASR STAINLESS BRAKE LINES, DG LASERPLATE SKID PLATES, FLEXX HANDLEBARS, BOYESEN SHOCKOUT GRIP SYSTEM, REKLUSE CLUTCH

09-07-2006, 07:22 PM	#14 (permalink)
Porta TRX90 Rider Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 15	I had the same problem on my TRX450 05 ,i went with a IMS oversized tank :)

09-07-2006, 10:08 PM	#15 (permalink)
Chuck's 06 450 450R Rider Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cave Creek, Arizona Posts: 2,125	These might be great fixes, but it's not the cure. I think the bolts threading into the brass and getting a piece of the brass threads "welded" to the steel threads of the bolt and then screwing up the brass threads of the insert on the way back in is the real culprit. I've had both sides do this and I took my dremel out and removed the brass that was stuck to the bolts threads and voila - no more tight threads and it screws in with no problem. I don't know a better cure than to be REALLY careful when screwing these bolts in. If it feels tight, there's probably a fubar'd thread - just clean it before you screw it back in. I fine wire brush on the bolt might work well too... __________________ 07 HD FLHT - sorry, but let's face it, riding a hog gets you laid more than riding a trx ;-) 06 TRX511ER - SOLD Venom Porting and Head Mods with +1 KW Valves all around Venom 100mm 14.25:1 Piston Venom Modded ESR Intake Venom Modded 43mm FCR with Rat Stack Venom Exhaust Hot Rods +3 Stroker MaxPower Ice Cube Cylinder Early HRC Cam